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danielk

join:2009-02-01
Greenwood, MO
reply to Archivis

Re: League of Legends

Throw in a sheen and that's pretty much the core of AD ez in a nutshell



Archivis
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Sheen? I forgot about that. yeah, that would be hot. Damn, I completely forgot about that.

I should get a fucking sheen for Xin.

I could probably crit someone for 1800.
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danielk

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Take it one step further on Xin and build it into a Trinity Force =)

Another item I forgot to mention being a must for AD or AP ez being Chalice, even thought Mystic Shot is fairly cheap, he can still spam the shit out of it.

However in the next patch Sheen/LichBane/Trinity Force are having their "reservoir" system removed so you'll be stuck with a 2sec cooldown for the additional damage effect of those items.

So that plus the reduction to mystic shot that's a pretty hard hit to his damage but similar to the situation with Heimerdinger losing a turret, people will just have to play smarter with him.



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I've not seen any good Heimers. It's unfortunate.

I have had a blast with Soraka though.



danielk

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That is true, he's still a good pusher though and those turrets can still be a threat if placed right.



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They're good for defense, but they just get soaked up by spells. I've not seen a very successful turret pusher.

All I have to do is right click heimer, his turret decides to target me and my tower targets the turret and it's GG turret.
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danielk

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The funny thing is even after the changes to Heimer and Shaco, alot of people assume they're pretty much worthless and end up getting wrecked pretty hard.



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I love shaco.



danielk

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Even with the nerfs to his ult and deceive, he still is a boss.



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I play it, main udyr mostly, Free dota. Rainstalker is my name add me if you like
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danielk

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Udyr looks like a REALLY fun champ to play, alot of games I've played with him in it has him being a beast, wanting to give him a try,

I usually main either Nasus or Kassadin. Add me as ToyCack if you wish.



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I'm Archivis.

Antonica is "Ishem".



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said by danielk:

Udyr looks like a REALLY fun champ to play, alot of games I've played with him in it has him being a beast, wanting to give him a try,

I usually main either Nasus or Kassadin. Add me as ToyCack if you wish.
its fun if you like owning it up late game =( udyr's early game is a joke.

i favor tiger stance over phoenix anyday imo. Hes a beast as long as the other team doesent use good knowledge of his weakness( no range skills)
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danielk

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Do you Jungle on Udyr? I'm not sure as to whether laning or jungling early game is the way to go for Udyr.



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solo queue i lane udyr i dont trust people who claim to be able to 1v2, but like with friends yes jungle
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Sprakk

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I too play LoL.

Name is Sprakk

Bit late to the party in regards to the LoL vs HoN vs DoTA discussion, however here's my input...

DoTA is/was a great game, it had many mechanics which seperated the good players from the bad. Team battles are pretty key, however, there are certain aspects of the game which are lacking. Spells don't scale, fed carries are almost unstoppable and lack of content release, ie. more heroes, etc.

HoN is a good game in it's own way. It's more akin to DoTA than LoL. You can still last hit creeps, tower mechanics are still similar in terms of targetting. Scaling is similar, heroes are similar. Only thing really different is the graphics. The one thing though, that really annoys me is the fact that all the champions look so damn similar, can take a lot of getting used to, to differentiate between them.

LoL is a good game also. The game is much more different than HoN and DoTA. Yes, it is easier to get stuck into if you have no previous experience in any of the games. Considering I said team fights were key for DoTA and it is similarly for HoN... team fights are absolute for LoL, a victorious team fight (Ace), can pretty much turn the tables and win your team the game in an instant. Spells now scale according to your Ability Power. With different mechanics like armor and spell penetration, LoL is a whole different game.

Out of the three, I prefer them in this order..
1) League of Legends
2) Defense of the Ancients
3) Heroes of Newerth

To me, DoTA will always be DoTA, great game, good mechanics, good team fights and co-ordination.

HoN will always be a prettier version of DoTA, hasn't brought much new to the table, I feel the game-play is actually sub-par to DoTA itself.

LoL is a fun game, which has broken away from DoTA in terms of simple mechanics and has much variety in terms of gameplay.



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Finally figuring ezreal out.

Sprakk

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That Urgot looks filth.

I couldn't have picked worse items even if i tried.

One major gripe I have about this game is the matchmaking. I kid you not, every game I win in ranked is usually due to a 4v5 scenario where someone on the other team has dropped.

I don't know why it happens, but I get teamed up with BADS 90% of the time. At the end of the game, I will without doubt be #1 on kills #1 on least deaths and likely #1 on assists for my team.

If you plan on playing any sort of ranked games when you hit 30, make sure you go with pre-mades. There are some serious bads amongst the LoL community, and more often then not, they will be on your team.



danielk

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VERY nice ex there arc, I still don't feel 100% on getting zerk's on heroes that have abilities to boost their AS, but if it works well for you, i'm not one to judge.

I'm still amazed at how many people still build malady despite how bad of an item it is, for a little more you can buy a Stark's which doesn't have the AS and dmg debuff, but helps out the whole team, or for a little cheaper, buy a stinger and a vamp scepter, get almost as much AS, a little less lifesteal, but with a little added CDR.

I haven't ran into ranked yet (still 22) but yea, I don't plan on playing ranked games unless I'm running in a pre-made.



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I've been playing some more LoL when none of my friends are on HoN. Solo games are bringing me down too much.

I'm wilwh3aton in LoL, only level 7 but I've been playing DOTA for years, so add me if you want.
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said by danielk:

VERY nice ex there arc, I still don't feel 100% on getting zerk's on heroes that have abilities to boost their AS, but if it works well for you, i'm not one to judge.
I've been trying to work on this hero for a while. I've tried several "builds" that have all fallen flat on their face. I've tried top-rated builds. I've tried AD Ezreal, AP Ezreal, Hybrid Ezreal. All their guides fall flat. I am now at a point where I feel comfortable about the level of play that I have.

First off, Ezreal certainly does have a way to boost his attack speed, but without it, he hits like shit. He needs a little bit in order to survive until his stacks ramp up. It takes 5 spells and I've found that at best, I'm attacking at the furthest distance possible and I'm only using one spell. I'm still not sure when to use the ult, since he's AD Ezreal. I use it as finishers for chasers (I love killing people who are halfway across the map). I've tried using it as openers (it gets me 5 stacks immediately). I guess it depends. Either way, his ult isn't as powerful as others, but it has its uses. Plus, since I have AD, his other abilities aren't as useful. They fill the gaps and ramp up stacks, but I save his teleport for escapes or chases, not to use in mid battle.

But Ezreal absolutely needs a small boost to attack speed or else he simply cannot compete. The berserker greaves and the Trinity Force give him just the amount he needs.

Here's my item build for Ezreal and it is utterly fantastic in games (I apologize for not memorizing all the names in advance):
Doran's Blade (The 4% lifesteal, small damage +120 HP), 1 HP pot
Black Cleaver (+75dmg, +armor pen stacks)
Trinity Force, getting Sheen first, then the slow-hammer one, then the attack speed/crit/move speed last. Finish the entire item.
3x Bloodthirsters. On your last Bloodthirster, ditch the Doran's Blade.

I have yet to find a game where I've had to get that many bloodthirsters, but they'll last you through and cause some serious chaos. The mystic shot applies on-hit effects, so it'll apply the black cleaver effect. It'll also apply the slow effect from the trinity force. The big thing is that also amplifies itself via the sheen portion. Your mystic shot can hit for a massive amount of damage because of the 130% boost.

With Ezreal, I've gotten only 1 Bloodthirster, and by then, we already had two inhibitors down. It was game over before I got it. The tri-force is an absolute must have, paired with the cleaver. The base attack speed, despite the 75% boost he gets, is still an absolute must.

I'm still amazed at how many people still build malady despite how bad of an item it is, for a little more you can buy a Stark's which doesn't have the AS and dmg debuff, but helps out the whole team, or for a little cheaper, buy a stinger and a vamp scepter, get almost as much AS, a little less lifesteal, but with a little added CDR.
I haven't found a use for it. I have an item build for physical DPS that is untouchable. It works for all characters who rely on physical damage, ranged or melee. I originally developed this for Xin, but this can work for anyone. I was critting for 1200+ on Xin on regular attacks and he was hitting for 2 attacks a second before he activated any cooldowns. This could work on any AD-based melee/ranged. It doesn't work for Ezreal because he doesn't benefit as much from the attack speed.

Items:
Boots + 3 pots
Finish Berserker Greaves
Black Cleaver
Phantom Dancer
Infinity Edge
Second Phantom Dancer
Bloodthirster

Nobody survives the above, especially when done in that order. I find that once I get to the first phantom dancer, everyone is a feeder to me. The more you pick up, the exponentially more devastating you are. If your game lasts long enough to get the bloodthirster (and max it out), you can start teamkilling people with any character.
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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
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LoL has broken the record for rage-quitters. The acronym suits it =P. Solid game, though. I even play the one on iPhone.



Archivis
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What's on the iphone? I'd love to play one on the droid.



Phantasee

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It's LoL Turret Defence. Not much to it, but fun for a phone game for sure.



Archivis
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Just won a game last night with Twisted Fate. I went 16-1. I've tried so many characters and item combos and I think I may have the best rune/combo/setup. I can quickly destroy any character and even make tanks run. I can gank anywhere on the map and accumulate gold in the center lane faster than nearly any other character.
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a2nxtcrav3r
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TF's preety hard to handle his range sucks for a ranged character, gotta be pro at gold card each time, hes a great late game backdoorer
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I guess people have a problem, but I haven't. I've tried longer-range characters and have less luck.

Pulling cards isn't that hard at all. I guess that I have a 19/20 success rate of pulling the card of my choice.

I've most effectively used TF as an effective kiter in the early/mid game. By the time the end game is reach, the game is usually decided. The ability to port-n-gank is awesome.

As a kiter, i'll hit a player and if they chase me, I'll begin running. I'll whip out a card, turn around and stun them, beating on them. If I have the clear advantage, I'll continue to beat on them and pull another card out just seconds later. The cooldown is ridiculous for a 2.5 second stun. I have exhaust/ghost if I need to keep someone at bay, within attack range, or need to start chasing between gold cards.

Runes: Yellow/Blue are attack speed
Red: Armor Pen
Quints: Armor Pen

Skills: Priority based. Port-n-gank is priority #1. Attack Speed/4th attack damage is second. Red/Blue/Gold cards third. I won't pick up the long-range cards until the very end. They're weak, cost too much and don't scale with anything but ability power.

Items: This is the most important.

#1: The 450g Lifesteal Item.
#2: 25% AS boots.
#3: Madred's Bloodrazor. Get the Minion-damage-proc item first. Get the attack speed item second, and then build the rest of the item out. This item is an absolute must for mowing down players, especially tanks.
#4. Finish off the lifesteal item with a bloodthirster.
#5. Phantom dancer
#6. Infinity Edge or Black Cleaver. If the whole group is armor heavy, get the Cleaver. If not, Infinity Edge.
#7. Second Phantom Dancer to finish the job.

Most of the time, the game is decided by the time you have a blood thirster. You're either up or you're down. But for the few times the games are dead even, you can absolutely wreck players with the above combo. The 2x phantom dancers mean you'll crit nearly every time and almost get yourself to the attack speed cap. You'll rip through players and put a sizeable hurting on tanks real quick. Any non-tanks will die with this build during the duration of a gold card stun.

Plus, the move speed is great for TF as he chases players down. 8% x2 from Phantoms means you'll be the fastest player on the map, which is vital when you're port'n'gankin.
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i entirely stopped doing AD TF, i found that given the obvious items, madred's bloodthirster, black cleaver, phantom dancer, infinity edge, and youmuu's ghostblade and starks fervor

many of the other carry champions prove to be much better. its a big problem for TF survival late game even if you try to kite if they aim for you first knowing you are easy to drop.

im one of those casual TF's who play hybrid ap/ad cooldown reduction disabler, works preety well and i just try to end it before it turning late game.
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Sprakk

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AP TF is fine.

I've played both AP and AD TF, I find AP to be the better of the two.

With Lichbane procs, you can do some serious damage. Open with gold card + Lichbane proc, wait until proc cooldown wears off, shoot wild card + Lichbane proc, rinse and repeat. You can do a surprising amount of damage real quick.

If you watched the WCG grand final game one, you can see team Europe utilizing TF to his maximum potential. Constantly push lanes so that their team is always split, meanwhile you port back to your team to initiate in a 5v4 or a 5v3.

He's great for backdooring towers as well, now that AP affects your damage output on towers.

But, playing in Australia, I must say, Pick a Card can be a bit tricky in the heat of battle. You have to always factor in the .5 second delay, which can get quite hard when so many things are going on at once.



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I stopped playing for awhile and then came back. I am really behind on some of the new heroes.

I've got 6300 saved up and can't decide between Vlad or MF... I've seen both played really well and turn the game.
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