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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to RiseAbove
Re: ATT is going to keep plugging away at copper? 100mb symmetrical is nice to "have" available, but at the price they want for it and that the industry wants to charge for it, AT&T is actually making a smart move.
With a smaller investment in bonded xDSL, they're spending less now and offering a service at which customers can use and take advantage of. 24mb isn't anything to sneeze at and will serve the purpose of customers very well for some time to come.
Comcast has their 50 and 100 meg service but who's going to pay comcast, in this economic environment of "cut back the monthly bills"... Meanwhile, AT&T is making a smaller investment int heir system, still making a killing on profit, sitting on a load of money in the process. Meanwhile, and yes I'm thinking sane here, AT&T could easily in the future take that pile of money and do an end run on everyone by doing a national deployment of fiber service IF they were smart. (ie: they're making higher profit margins now, save it, and have a better financial picture to make a HUGE stink later) If they were to do this, you know that tarnished reputation they have? ... improved over night. Most people are victims of the great American disease of "short term memory syndrome" and will forget about AT&T's past..
As it stands now, the phone industry is lauded by many people for their being "heros".. DSL was a lower cost, somewhat, and Verizon launched fiber. The younger generation tends to preference phone over cable because they were not part of the generation of phone customers who took it up the but to make calls. (Many younger generations forget that average phone bills just a decade or so ago were in the average price of $80+ a month)
Anyway... my statement above is predicated on the fact of AT&T actually making a smart move.. I won't hold my breath that they'd seize an opportunity because, well, they tend to look at numbers, and not the person's way of thinking in order to help gain maximum results. Part of business is thinking like your customer; a necessity in business.
But anyway.. like I was saying, having 100mb is one thing, they're still not doing much to see that customers will actually want to take it. It's more marketing than anything.I bet if you look at VZ's FiOS internet, the overwhelming majority of their customers still take their rock bottom tier with only a small handful taking higher speeds. | | |
|  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | well Comcast is making a profit too, but the upside they have is that DOCSIS 3 gives them the speeds over the existing lines. id imagine the DOCSIS3 CMTS is just rackmount stuff that while not cheap is much cheaper than lots of line replacement and VRAD deployment. dont know if they have to replace the nodes or not though. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |  Reviews:
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| reply to fiberguy said by fiberguy:100mb symmetrical is nice to "have" available, but at the price they want for it and that the industry wants to charge for it, AT&T is actually making a smart move. With a smaller investment in bonded xDSL, they're spending less now and offering a service at which customers can use and take advantage of. 24mb isn't anything to sneeze at and will serve the purpose of customers very well for some time to come. Comcast has their 50 and 100 meg service but who's going to pay comcast, in this economic environment of "cut back the monthly bills"... Meanwhile, AT&T is making a smaller investment int heir system, still making a killing on profit, sitting on a load of money in the process. Meanwhile, and yes I'm thinking sane here, AT&T could easily in the future take that pile of money and do an end run on everyone by doing a national deployment of fiber service IF they were smart. (ie: they're making higher profit margins now, save it, and have a better financial picture to make a HUGE stink later) If they were to do this, you know that tarnished reputation they have? ... improved over night. Most people are victims of the great American disease of "short term memory syndrome" and will forget about AT&T's past.. As it stands now, the phone industry is lauded by many people for their being "heros".. DSL was a lower cost, somewhat, and Verizon launched fiber. The younger generation tends to preference phone over cable because they were not part of the generation of phone customers who took it up the but to make calls. (Many younger generations forget that average phone bills just a decade or so ago were in the average price of $80+ a month) Anyway... my statement above is predicated on the fact of AT&T actually making a smart move.. I won't hold my breath that they'd seize an opportunity because, well, they tend to look at numbers, and not the person's way of thinking in order to help gain maximum results. Part of business is thinking like your customer; a necessity in business. But anyway.. like I was saying, having 100mb is one thing, they're still not doing much to see that customers will actually want to take it. It's more marketing than anything.I bet if you look at VZ's FiOS internet, the overwhelming majority of their customers still take their rock bottom tier with only a small handful taking higher speeds. wow you really went all out in your response. I understand and agree with a lot of your points but my original intent was to say that ATT's continue reliance on cooper is going to come back and bite them in the ass big time.
As it is now Uverse has a pretty horrible compressed HD image and offers at least to me a less than stellar product. As bit rates and performance become more important to consumers as they adapt to HD ATT will be far from be able to keep up with demand due to the structural limitations on their network.
Basically they are delaying spending a bunch of money so they can milk the customers till they reach a point where complaints out pace the demand and they are forced to make a change. It's ATT's motto, I know this because I use to work for them. | |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | "Basically they are delaying spending a bunch of money so they can milk the customers till they reach a point where complaints out pace the demand and they are forced to make a change. It's ATT's motto, I know this because I use to work for them."
Pretty much what I was saying.. and guess what? When they do those massive upgrades, they'll come out smelling and looking like a hero too.
..same thing happened to Verizon. Verizon, quite honestly, is a horrible company. However, a lot of people think verizon is " 'da bomb" because they have that fiber stuff. Technology is great, same crappy company running it. However, people see the fiber as "what's good"... that's what AT&T will ultimately get out of this. | |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to Kearnstd YUUUUUUP! DOCSIS 3 is a relatively easy upgrade compared to what AT&T has to do.. which, in itself, does say that copper coax/fiber isn't dead. (There's much life in hybrid fiber/coax, but what makes the difference is how it's designed, maintained, and operated)
There's only so much you can really do with a small twisted pair of copper though. AT&T is not going to be able to get past that for too much longer. It's going to be advances in technology and services that want to run over those twisted pairs that will be the end of traditional copper. I don't think AT&T is really paying attention to that.. just like Bill Gates and his 640k of ram comment. | |  Reviews:
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| reply to fiberguy said by fiberguy:"Basically they are delaying spending a bunch of money so they can milk the customers till they reach a point where complaints out pace the demand and they are forced to make a change. It's ATT's motto, I know this because I use to work for them." Pretty much what I was saying.. and guess what? When they do those massive upgrades, they'll come out smelling and looking like a hero too. ..same thing happened to Verizon. Verizon, quite honestly, is a horrible company. However, a lot of people think verizon is " 'da bomb" because they have that fiber stuff. Technology is great, same crappy company running it. However, people see the fiber as "what's good"... that's what AT&T will ultimately get out of this. Oh I know Verizon is a horrible company I deal with them dealing on the wireline and wireless side of things due to my job daily. In fact them and ATT are on the same page when it comes to crappy service but I think Verizon has it right with the fiber straight to the door and ATT is just playing catch up. | |
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