| did they forget something These reports never seem to acknowledge the fact that the US has a much sparser population density than nearly any of the European countries we are "competing" against. Shouldn't this be a huge factor in all 5 of those categories mentioned? |
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said by hehbo2k3:These reports never seem to acknowledge the fact that the US has a much sparser population density than nearly any of the European countries we are "competing" against. Shouldn't this be a huge factor in all 5 of those categories mentioned? if that were true then the densely populated cities of the united states (nyc, la, etc.) would at least be on par with the densely populated cities outside of the united states.
in other words, i'd believe you if I saw 1gbps internet connections for $50 in NYC like I see in other cities with similar population densities and the rural areas were still unwired,
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Thats because they don't care about facts like the US 96 times larger then South Korea.
One might think that might make it just a little easier to bring broadband to everyone in South Korea.
I wouldn't be surprised if the US never ranks #1 or even in the top 5 in these types of list. Our physical size and population density will always be a problem for broadband. |
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Just forget about the rural penetration and compare the speeds (and prices) for high density urban areas. You'll see there's still a huge difference.
And in Canada it's even worse.
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said by hehbo2k3:These reports never seem to acknowledge the fact that the US has a much sparser population density than nearly any of the European countries we are "competing" against. Shouldn't this be a huge factor in all 5 of those categories mentioned? Excuses excuses.
We're still in the middle of the pack, behind Estonia (#19) and Latvia(#18), but hey! They're much smaller nations than America, so of course these little putt-putt nations deserve to kick our butt.
There's no excuse for being #23 folks. |
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Did you forget something? said by hehbo2k3:These reports never seem to acknowledge the fact that the US has a much sparser population density than nearly any of the European countries we are "competing" against. Shouldn't this be a huge factor in all 5 of those categories mentioned? Did you forget New York City, San Francisco, LA, Miami, etc... high density, sucky internet services. They are just not getting DOCSIS 3.0 and up to 50Mb services if you pay about $100+ when compared to places like Toyko that get 100MB up/down for a fraction of the price.
I'm sorry hehbo2k3 but you obviously didn't think or do your research before you posted. |
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Re: did they forget something said by tmh :
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There's no excuse for being #23 folks.
but there is lots of money to be made by the ILECs
we're #23! |
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Re: Did you forget something? So how does wiring NYC for speeds comparable to SK and other have anything to do with speeds in Podunk, Kansas? There's nothing that says they have to offer the same speeds in every location. Hell, they're doing that now. |
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join:2009-11-23 | Because they deploy using nationwide plans. If they deployed gigabit service in NYC everyone here would immediately cry redlining. |
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said by AlfredNewman:hey are just not getting DOCSIS 3.0 and up to 50Mb services if you pay about $100+ when compared to places like Toyko that get 100MB up/down for a fraction of the price. What is that "fraction"? 10%? 25%? I suspect it is around 50%.
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Re: did they forget something said by toro:Just forget about the rural penetration and compare the speeds (and prices) for high density urban areas. You'll see there's still a huge difference. And in Canada it's even worse. Yeah, who cares where we rank in penetration. It should be all about the speed/price comparison.
Why are we being raped so badly?
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You seem to be denying that we have any cities at all with comparable density in a small-enough area that at least justifies comparable coverage. |
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Re: Did you forget something? How is that different from now where they deploy piecemeal per city anyways?
Do you see AT&T covering all of USA's square inch? Even Verizon? No, they cover only where people live and where the density justifies the coverage.
Stop being such an industry apologist. |
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Re: did they forget something If you want to argue density, Kushiro, Japan has 140 people per square Km. They're going to get fiber fairly soon.
Orange County with 1,473 people per square Km, still no fiber. |
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said by Frank:in other words, i'd believe you if I saw 1gbps internet connections for $50 in NYC like I see in other cities with similar population densities and the rural areas were still unwired, While not the unrealistic $50 price level for gig, Paxio is still delivering competitive services in the highly dense San Francisco bay area market:
»www.paxio.com/Residentialinternet |
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espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
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said by cork1958:Yeah, who cares where we rank in penetration. It should be all about the speed/price comparison. Why are we being raped so badly? These numbers don't include a very important statistic: oversubscription ratios.
12:1 oversubscription on 20mbps access can have vastly different performance than 50:1 oversubscription on 100mbps access. |
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Z80APremium
join:2009-11-23 | reply to NuShrike
Re: Did you forget something? Big difference because they're still national plans.
Stop being a whiner. |
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Z80APremium
join:2009-11-23 | reply to NuShrike
Re: did they forget something Then move to Japan. |
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