| Canada, Russia, Indonesia These are the countries that most closely resemble the US in terms of geographic size or population. Where do they rank? |
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 Soybomb
join:2002-07-15
Carbondale, IL | This is spot on. I've never understood why people find it startling that the US doesn't have the most developed broadband network. The US is an enormous country with a very low population density. Of course Japan is going to have a better network, we're talking about a jillion people in a small area, easy to make a good ROI quickly. |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by Soybomb:This is spot on. I've never understood why people find it startling that the US doesn't have the most developed broadband network. The US is an enormous country with a very low population density. Of course Japan is going to have a better network, we're talking about a jillion people in a small area, easy to make a good ROI quickly. I've thought about it as an effect of what happened.
1st. We deployed first in late 1990s using that generation's equipment.
2nd. Then "they" deployed in early 2000s and late 2000s using that generation's equipment which was 4x faster at the same price.
3rd. Rather than dig up copper and coax for fiber, we milked the last mile revving some of the equipment but not the medium, so we got a big gain but not a revolutionary gain.
4th. "They" are doing the same thing with their improvements, but their starting baseline was higher than ours, so they continue to stay ahead.
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | reply to Soybomb
said by Soybomb:This is spot on. I've never understood why people find it startling that the US doesn't have the most developed broadband network. The US is an enormous country with a very low population density. Of course Japan is going to have a better network, we're talking about a jillion people in a small area, easy to make a good ROI quickly. That excuse doesn't wash.
Four years, four different addresses, I've never lived in the "sticks" and I've never had fiber optic available to me at any one of them.
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| said by funchords:said by Soybomb:This is spot on. I've never understood why people find it startling that the US doesn't have the most developed broadband network. The US is an enormous country with a very low population density. Of course Japan is going to have a better network, we're talking about a jillion people in a small area, easy to make a good ROI quickly. That excuse doesn't wash. Four years, four different addresses, I've never lived in the "sticks" and I've never had fiber optic available to me at any one of them. Thank your legislators and the ridiculously outdated FCC who allow big corporations to cherry pick the most lucrative areas for network development and new product roll out. Low population areas aren't worth the investment in infrastructure.
Corporations yield power over the government via lobbyists and the laws and politicians they purchase daily. This is one of the downsides to a capitalist economy and society, sooner or later the corporations own us. |
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join:2001-04-21
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said by funchords:Four years, four different addresses, I've never lived in the "sticks" and I've never had fiber optic available to me at any one of them. That's because fiber by itself doesn't sell.
Verizon spent billions rolling out FiOS to the markets in which they've currently deployed, and despite having a clearly superior technology they're not hitting higher than a 20% adoption rate. General Motors aside, most companies don't pump a lot of investment into developing products that people don't buy. |
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1 edit | said by espaeth:said by funchords:Four years, four different addresses, I've never lived in the "sticks" and I've never had fiber optic available to me at any one of them. That's because fiber by itself doesn't sell. Verizon spent billions rolling out FiOS to the markets in which they've currently deployed, and despite having a clearly superior technology they're not hitting higher than a 20% adoption rate. General Motors aside, most companies don't pump a lot of investment into developing products that people don't buy. Their delivery medium is advanced, not their content. Content is what sells and most people don't care how their content is delivered. Cable does just a good job if not better in a lot of content areas. I just switched to FiOs and have 25/25 internet service. You cant tell the difference surfing on 25/25 from the 6/2 I got with OOL.
Except for some really knockout HD stations, FiOs Tv is overrated in my opinion. OOL has better laid out package and easier to use TV menus and on demand menus as well as more channels that people actually watch.
The only reason I switched was the area I am in has an old infrastructure and CV couldn't get my service running properly. |
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said by lt_wentoncha:These are the countries that most closely resemble the US in terms of geographic size or population. Where do they rank? IT NEVER FAILS! every time a report likes this comes out, showing the U.S. with mediocre broadband (at best), someone drags out the "we're such a big country" canard.
if geographic density is our "excuse", why in the hell isn't New York or LA one of the fastest cities in the survey?
the U.S. sucks in the rankings because we have a monopoly/duopoly market with very little competition. monopolies DO NOT innovate and they only upgrade when failure to do so would cause the consumer experience to degrade (and sometimes, they do let it degrade before they make improvements). The only other time they upgrade is when facing competition. |
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axus
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Washington, DC | reply to SixSpeed
I don't see how the FCC preventing roll-outs would improve things. |
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said by espaeth:said by funchords:Four years, four different addresses, I've never lived in the "sticks" and I've never had fiber optic available to me at any one of them. That's because fiber by itself doesn't sell. Verizon spent billions rolling out FiOS to the markets in which they've currently deployed, and despite having a clearly superior technology they're not hitting higher than a 20% adoption rate. General Motors aside, most companies don't pump a lot of investment into developing products that people don't buy. Aside from the fact that you're lying (their adoption rate is 29%), Verizon has steadily raised their prices on FIOS. If they want higher adoption rates they need to lower their prices and increase their speeds. Add in the fact that they only recently dropped the 2 year contract requirement, and it's easy to see why their adoption rates are "low". The quotes are an indication of how ridiculous it is to consider 29% low. Free.fr offers a $40/month triple play and they manage a 33% rate.
The other side to consider is that Verizon is hemorrhaging DSL customers, but holding their own with FIOS. Once again your pro-corporation bias is showing. |
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said by nasadude:said by lt_wentoncha:These are the countries that most closely resemble the US in terms of geographic size or population. Where do they rank? IT NEVER FAILS! every time a report likes this comes out, showing the U.S. with mediocre broadband (at best), someone drags out the "we're such a big country" canard. if geographic density is our "excuse", why in the hell isn't New York or LA one of the fastest cities in the survey? the U.S. sucks in the rankings because we have a monopoly/duopoly market with very little competition. monopolies DO NOT innovate and they only upgrade when failure to do so would cause the consumer experience to degrade (and sometimes, they do let it degrade before they make improvements). The only other time they upgrade is when facing competition. So it's fair to compare Broadband penetration between the US and Korea?
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | reply to espaeth
said by espaeth:said by funchords:Four years, four different addresses, I've never lived in the "sticks" and I've never had fiber optic available to me at any one of them. That's because fiber by itself doesn't sell. Verizon spent billions rolling out FiOS to the markets in which they've currently deployed, and despite having a clearly superior technology they're not hitting higher than a 20% adoption rate. General Motors aside, most companies don't pump a lot of investment into developing products that people don't buy. Verizon doesn't have to put ANY content on it. Let everyone put content on it. Put Time Warner Cable through it. Put Netflix through it. The toll-road operator doesn't get rich making the road smooth for Fords.
Verizon could be the must-have technology that disrupts vertically-aligned media monopolies by cutting themselves in to ALL media, and it's as safe as featherbed because we've seen that overbuilders just don't come around very often.
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