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Re: Awesome news! I love this as well. Mainly because ISPs are turning bandwidth into a commodity and I don't believe it should be like that. Bandwidth is a means to an end where many of the services used over the internet are where the real money should be made. |
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 TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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Cheyenne, WY | reply to FLATLINE
This is what is going to have to happen. This is a "Build it and they will come" situation. In today's world a fast and robust fiber system will be a great thing to have in order for a state and community to attract business. With a good communication system a large on line catalog company such as Tiger Direct, J&R, or New Egg might just be talked into locating a distribution warehouse in Vermont. All it would take is to attract one large company and with the proper incentives other companies seeing how the first was treated would be very interested in relocating, Especially if you where a company in New York facing ruinous taxes.
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said by FLATLINE:I love this as well. Mainly because ISPs are turning bandwidth into a commodity and I don't believe it should be like that. Bandwidth is a means to an end where many of the services used over the internet are where the real money should be made. If the real money is made in the over the Internet services, why do businesses want to invest in the commodity infrastructure? |
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Tiger Direct? Are you speaking of the same company that actually keeps its customers rebates? if so who would want them in their town? |
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1 edit | said by hottboiinnc:Tiger Direct? Are you speaking of the same company that actually keeps its customers rebates? if so who would want them in their town? I have had no problems with Tiger Direct in the 15+ years I have purchased stuff from them. As for the rebates I will not purchase anything from anybody that has a mail in rebate these are handled by third party companies that are indeed a rip-off. I only purchase stuff that is on sale. If you watch for it whatever you are interested will go on sale and most of the time it is cheaper then it would have been with the bogus mail in rebate. Here is an current example; a 1 TB Seagate 3.5" HD for 59.99 there is no mail in rebate. This is Seagate's version of the Western Digital Green drive and turns at 5900RPM to save energy.
»www.tigerdirect.com/applications···-1000AS4
When I was building my present computer I thought I had a problem with the motherboard, and CPU, turns out it was unclear instructions that came with the ASUS motherboard concerning a power input on the MoBo that didn't have the same plug on the power supply. The customer service people replaced the mother board without question. But what they did with the CPU is what made me a loyal customer. instead of sending a replacement CPU which as I recall was a AMD X2 64 3400 they credited my Visa account with the purchase price. They didn't tell me this and when I didn't receive the replacement I checked my account and found the refund. Then I discovered the reason. I called on a Friday, the following Monday AMD cut the price on the 64 X2 series almost in half. They must have known this. I was able to purchase a much faster CPU (5400) for half the price of the 3400 that originally came with the kit.
If I was a city manager and Tiger Direct wanted to build a distribution warehouse that might employ a couple of hundred of my fellow townspeople you bet.
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Carefull now. I didn't say that's where the real money is made. I'm saying that's where it should be made. Like for instance streaming movies and tv. If done right broadband can be cheaper than what most of us get charged now while still providing enough capital for network investment. Companies who provide services like streaming tv would charge appropriately and also contribute to the costs of using the network But in this case there is no company responsible for investing in infrastructure directly. As it is right now The cost of gaining access especially after seeing where isp's are looking to go with the pricing of bandwidth will be more expensive than the many services we use. Its backwards in my opinion and is slowing progress. |
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Grove City, PA | reply to Transmaster
If I was an investor, I'd be somewhat concerned considering the guy lost his own domain.
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Trans... TD is a bit deceptive about those rebates that they offer, you have to pay a yearly fee to a third party to avail yourself the $$'s. They will (they, 3rd party) will place an auto deduct on your creditcard for membership in the so called "discount club" and hope that it will go un-noticed on your bank records.
It may be an old scam but it still works. (fool born every day and all of that kind of stuff) |
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Yep. And as the services migrate and the real money/revenue migrates away from infrastructure providers, the capital investment (without funding) around "dumb pipe" growth will logically be called into question...
Investment costs in network growth don't go away, they shift. But who do they shift to?
said by FLATLINE:Companies who provide services like streaming tv would charge appropriately and also contribute to the costs of using the network In the real world this is not really the case. These Companies do not contribute directly. They go to a "peer" or transit supplier of the broadband infrastructure provider and negotiate a below-cost or free connection. The peer or transit supplier doesn't carry the traffic more than 1 router so they can offer this. Many times offering it for free allows them to may $$ from their transit customer, the infrastructure provider.
So, the Companies who provide streaming TV do not pay the full cost of infrastructure growth to deliver these services and the infrastructure company actually carrying the streaming TV to your home does not get any recovery on these costs. In some cases their costs actually go up unless they give it away for free.
Net neutrality has many benefits, but one thing people don't realize is that it guarantees that the only people that will pay for the full cost of end to end traffic are the consumers. |
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TIGER DIRECT TROLL!!! (body snatchers noise)
TIGER DIRECT TROLL!!!
So, 15years in business. Really? i think I saw one of their catalogs in 15 years and hardly a deal. And ANY catalog company that holds your rebates deserves to go to the wayside...
If I were a Vermonter, I'd rather have Tractor Supply located there, but why would I leave the warm south for a salt-belt, liberal, sandal-wearing, cold, state that doesn't have anything better than DSL (when it works)?
If you were a Vermont City Manager, I would have you removed from office, pension removed and audited every year.
Trust me, you ever BEEN to Vermont? Living in Wyoming, I don't think you would like it... |
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Youve been fooled into thinking what your being charged now isnt enough to turn a nice profit while also having money to invest into the infrastructure.
In the real world things can change and be made right. The reason why you dont see the right thing being done is because people like you and me havent spoken loud enough, we havent voted with our wallets, we didnt vote for the right political leaders, we havent pressured our political leaders enough, we havent banded together as one large consumer group and pooled our resources to overcome lobbyists. I could spend all day on examples of what we havent done. The American citizen has become a non player in todays world and untill we get our act together its only going to get worse.
Its not like this is the only area that needs attention from us either. We have become slackers on these fronts. Maybe we always have been I dunno. |
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Cheyenne, WY | reply to wvsparkey
Ya wvaparky I know about this membership scam, Didn't drink that Koolaid either. I have honestly never had any problems with Tiger Direct, or Newegg. Like any other online outfit you have to surf with your eyes open.
The point of my post is with such a system in place Vermont would have a strong selling point to attract business's. I remember a TV ad' of a couple of decades ago. This person brought his boss out to a isolated field apparently in the middle of no-where. His boss wanted to know why he was here this person pointed out they could build for something like 3 dollars a square foot there was a highway, and railroad close by for raw materials, and shipping, plus they could get fast internet to handle orders The Boss realizing what he had just been told started to jump up and down yelling 3 dollars a square foot, 3 dollars a square foot..... This could be Vermont. For that matter it could be Wyoming, or any other State smart enough to build such a system.
Wouldn't it be sweet to have Verizon, AT&T and other ISP's have to come hat in hand to ask a given state if they could please have some bandwidth on your system. I can dream can't I.
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Even the rebates handled by TD various people have reported never to even see them. My know people that placed orders with TD and have hundreds out in those rebates. And that was 3+ years ago, never to hear again from TD again after complaining about them.
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said by devnuller:Net neutrality has many benefits, but one thing people don't realize is that it guarantees that the only people that will pay for the full cost of end to end traffic are the consumers. That's only one version of "net neutrality", but one of the ones that makes the most sense. It also is quite reasonable to understand and reasonable in fact: if we are paying for it, we are the bosses, moreso (not entirely). Thus comes the benefits of being boss. Unfortunately, since it's delivered en masse via mass production, there is some aggregation of those payments that get funneled through things we individually don't control, so there disappears most of what we loose of our individuality and control. However, it's definitely a model that makes sense in terms of being less fascist and controlling of the individuals of the populace, and therefore beneficial. |
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