 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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| [My Review] Adventures in Cooling - Corsair H50 All installed |  offset retention bracket |  Lower mounted fan & radiator holes |  Header tank; reason for lowering mounting holes |
Never having tried water cooling before, and looking to overclock my Q9650, I decided to take the plunge into water cooling with the new Corsair H50 CPU cooling kit. It got good reviews and I like Corsair's products, so I picked it up at NCIX in Markham, ON.
I realized that my old Coolermaster case wouldn't be up to it, so when I saw the Thermaltake V3 with top cooling on sale, I picked it up, too.
The switchover was reasonable easy. remove all th e parts from the old computer and install the new. Everything went together well, initially. However, adding g the Corsair cooler was an interesting exercise.
First, I discovered that the header tank on the radiator didn't allow the fan to be installed in the default fan holes. I used some of the lower holes and only two of the four bolts.
I moved the Thermaltake 120 mm fan to the top for venting. The Corsair fan blows cool air into the case through the radiator. There has to be a place for the air to go, so the top vents and fan take care of that bit of business.
Installing the retaining bracket on the underside of the mobo is something that needs careful attention. The bracket is NOT aligned square to the mobo! You have to align the holes first. Then you discover that the bracket, when aligned, is offset. Not intuitive and not called out on the instructions!
Installing the pump housing is easy, but it requires a bit of care. Follow the instructions exactly.
Worth it? Absolutely. the Everest stress test causes little rise in CPU temps. Now to overclock! -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 | reply to DKS I've heard "meh" comments about this cooler. I'd be interested in hearing from you guys what you think as you have them longer and overclock. Noise, efficiency, that sort of thing? |
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 C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium join:2001-10-03 Davenport, FL | reply to DKS I ended up buying this too, as a result of having broken my Thermalright HR-01, and needing something immediate.
Definitely a better experience than the waterchill I had previously had for my old Athlon XP.  -- Front Line Force Fortress Forever |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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said by Ken Peterson:I've heard "meh" comments about this cooler. I'd be interested in hearing from you guys what you think as you have them longer and overclock. Noise, efficiency, that sort of thing? Quiet, actually. Fans are quite unobtrusive. In this system there is the power supply fan, the CPU fan and one on the top. The GTX 470 at idle is actually the loudest fan I hear. The the 470, contrary to reviews, is quiet at idle, only getting loud when under stress, such as Furmark. It will really whine at 100% speed, but not at anything less than 80% fan speed. Max CPU temps were seen when I was running the Everest stress test (100% CPU usage). Low temps were after idling for about 6 hours. I'm currently running at 3.2 GHz as opposed to a stock clock of 3 GHz. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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| reply to jchambers28 said by jchambers28:strap on 2 of these.The push pull method with noctua fans. that's the setup I want. I may, in time. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 nerdburgPremium join:2009-08-20 Schuylkill Haven, PA kudos:1 1 edit | reply to Ken Peterson I've completely abandoned air cooling for builds with quad/hex cores. I love the H50. The first install takes a bit of tinkering, but once you figure it out, it's simple to install. I've read several reviews that give it a "meh" rating and it's a mystery to me why.
It's not hard to install, it's not expensive and it's quiet.
If it helps you any, my hex core AMD 1090T OC'ed @ 3.8 runs in the mid 40Cs under full load and below room temp at idle. -- -meh |
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 koitsuPremium,MVM join:2002-07-16 Mountain View, CA kudos:14 | reply to DKS
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said by DKS:Quiet, actually. Fans are quite unobtrusive. ... Your RealTemp screenshot above doesn't appear to be during load? It's hard to tell though -- it shows 6.4% load, but I can't tell if that's talking about CPU load or GPU load due to the unintelligent placement of the statistic in the UI (it's right next to GPU temperature).
Regardless of whether it's at idle or at load: the first sets of photos you provided indicate water cooling is in use on the CPU. If the screenshot is from the system with water cooling, then those temperatures are a complete atrocity. I have an air-cooled Q9550 system (not overclocked) with a Nexus HSF that runs at around 2000rpm in a room with a fairly high ambient temperature that has the exact same temps -- at idle -- as what you show, with max temps that reach absolutely nowhere near what yours are. See my screenshot. I can describe my setup in full + provide pictures if need be. -- Making life hard for others since 1977. I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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| said by koitsu:said by DKS:Quiet, actually. Fans are quite unobtrusive. ... Your RealTemp screenshot above doesn't appear to be during load? It's hard to tell though -- it shows 6.4% load, but I can't tell if that's talking about CPU load or GPU load due to the unintelligent placement of the statistic in the UI (it's right next to GPU temperature). That's CPU load.
Regardless of whether it's at idle or at load: the first sets of photos you provided indicate water cooling is in use on the CPU. If the screenshot is from the system with water cooling, then those temperatures are a complete atrocity. I have an air-cooled Q9550 system (not overclocked) with a Nexus HSF that runs at around 2000rpm in a room with a fairly high ambient temperature that has the exact same temps -- at idle -- as what you show, with max temps that reach absolutely nowhere near what yours are. See my screenshot. I can describe my setup in full + provide pictures if need be. Huh? This isn't a pissing contest. I really don't care whether your computer runs cooler than this one. That's irrelevant. I'm having some fun and I'm sharing the experience. No agenda here other than that. If you want to engage in some kind of contest for bragging rights, please start your own thread.  -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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Just did a quick run with IntelBurn. |
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 ejg1 join:2004-12-01 Pacifica, CA | reply to DKS I think your misreading the intent of Koitsu's reply.
I think he is offering to help you get your temps down to better levels by showing you how he did it. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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1 edit |  Temps at Idle |
said by ejg1:I think your misreading the intent of Koitsu's reply. I think he is offering to help you get your temps down to better levels by showing you how he did it. One does not use language like this:
quote: If the screenshot is from the system with water cooling, then those temperatures are a complete atrocity.
...in order to be helpful. In fact, the current temps are a good 10C or more below air cooling. My idle temps are acceptably low, in any case.
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 koitsuPremium,MVM join:2002-07-16 Mountain View, CA kudos:14 1 edit | reply to DKS Sorry, I should explain myself. There's absolutely no bragging going on here -- I happen to be one of those people who focuses strongly on temperatures, noise, and power draw (in that order). I don't overclock anything I own/use/manage, so that's something to keep in mind as well.
I've never built a water-cooled system before because I'm one of those old dudes who believes putting water near electrical components is an accident waiting to happen[1] -- but, I still occasionally check water cooling systems out because it's very interesting to see the results (cooling-wise).
Water cooling is, generally speaking, expensive. Meaning, the cost of the blocks, tubes, pump, clamps, etc. usually comes to a few hundred USD. The main reason people go with water cooling is to decrease CPU (and GPU, if they have a waterblock on their card) temperatures and sometimes decrease noise (depending on how loud the pump is). The intention, usually, of decreasing CPU temperatures is to provide room/capability for overclocking.
So when I see someone trying out water cooling and sharing their experience -- with screenshots of their temperatures -- my first assumption is to compare what they have to an air-cooled system.
All I'm saying is that I'd expect to see absolutely amazing temperatures, but my Q9550 has lower temps than yours at idle and load, yet I have very few case fans (all running at about 1200rpm) and a single CPU fan (running at between 1200-1500rpm). I'm not flexing my nuts -- I'm simply concerned that your water block may be not be mounted flush against the CPU or something along those lines.
The link I provided above basically says that on an i7 860 -- which runs significantly hotter than your Q9650 and my Q9550 by a longshot -- their idle temperatures are lower than what you're seeing, while their load temperatures are about the same. There's a couple other reviews I skimmed through which show similar behaviour, and one which basically shows there's no temperature improvement but there is an improvement (decrease) in system noise compared to the Intel stock fan (which we all know is absurdly loud, and thus works pretty good as a universal reference point).
Please don't take what I've said to mean "I'm here to piss in your cornflakes". Please take what I said to mean "Was your Q9650, prior to the H50 installation, really idling at 55-62C and 67-71C under load w/out overclocking? If so, maybe we should try to figure out why that is, as that seems awfully high compared to my Q9550 system".
My system consists of the following:
- CPU: Intel Q9550 - MB: Asus P5Q SE - GPU: BFG nVidia 9800GT ("Low Power" model; model number BFGE981024GTGE) - Disk: Western Digital WD5001AALS (internal temp 40C according to SMART) - Case: Antec P182 - CPU HSF: Nexus LXM-8200 with fan powered off 5V header on mainboard, with system BIOS set to adjust fan speed dynamically (approx. 900-1200rpm) - Fans: Case is using stock fans running at medium speed setting (maybe 1500rpm, not sure) - Fans: Nexus D12SL-12, located in middle bay, powered via 12V header - Ambient room temperature is about 76F / 24.4C
Again -- not bragging. This is a very simple air-cooled workstation that's running 24x7x365 in my bedroom. I can take external temperatures using a cheap external IR thermometer if you'd like.
I'm just concerned that something may not be connected quite right or flush with a surface. Quite possibly the temperatures you have are spot on -- I don't know. They just seem high for a water-cooled system, you know? Do you know what your ambient room temperature is? Maybe it's quite high and that would explain the overall difference. Again, I don't know.
[1]: A roommate of mine, many years ago (would have been in 2001) lost literally everything due to a well-known problem with the tubes the water cooling manufacturer provided gradually cracking after ~6 months of use. I forget who the manufacturer was, but it was a very well-known problem. And when I say everything, I do mean everything -- even portions of his hard disk PCB were blown. Not good. -- Making life hard for others since 1977. I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer. |
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON kudos:1 | My i7 860 only gets to about 55c under load with my zalman cnps10x extreme. I will say though that it was only slightly cheaper than the h50 (at the stores here).
One advantage I can see of the h50 is that it doesn't take up alot of room. I can't fill my second RAM slots and probably couldn't use my top PCIe 1x slot with this huge cooler, but might be able to with the h50.
To me there are downsides though, I wasn't comfortable with the system in terms of reliability and durability. The fan on a heatsink/fan solution is the only moving part and can be replaced. When the pump in the h50 dies its finished. I think when I go watercooling I'll go all out with a loop that includes the GPU and a dual 120mm radiator. |
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 signmeuptooLove those still alivePremium join:2001-11-22 NanoParticle kudos:4 | reply to DKS One thing I've always wanted to know from water cooling fans is, well, how often is there a leak, and is there a non conductive fluid instead of water? |
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 pflogBueller? Bueller?Premium,MVM join:2001-09-01 El Dorado Hills, CA kudos:3 | reply to koitsu
Just for comparison, my Q9550, which is overclocked to 3.8 GHz with a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.
At load it gets to maybe 52-54 or so, I'm quite happy with this cooler. -- The poster formerly known as deblin... |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to koitsu said by koitsu:Sorry, I should explain myself. There's absolutely no bragging going on here -- I happen to be one of those people who focuses strongly on temperatures, noise, and power draw (in that order). I don't overclock anything I own/use/manage, so that's something to keep in mind as well. Thank you for the explanation. I do not share those priorities.
I've never built a water-cooled system before because I'm one of those old dudes who believes putting water near electrical components is an accident waiting to happen[1] -- but, I still occasionally check water cooling systems out because it's very interesting to see the results (cooling-wise). This is the first time I have done something like this.
Water cooling is, generally speaking, expensive. Meaning, the cost of the blocks, tubes, pump, clamps, etc. usually comes to a few hundred USD. The main reason people go with water cooling is to decrease CPU (and GPU, if they have a waterblock on their card) temperatures and sometimes decrease noise (depending on how loud the pump is). The intention, usually, of decreasing CPU temperatures is to provide room/capability for overclocking. It can be expensive. It all depends.
So when I see someone trying out water cooling and sharing their experience -- with screenshots of their temperatures -- my first assumption is to compare what they have to an air-cooled system. That is like comparing apples and oranges. Especially considering the variables involved.
All I'm saying is that I'd expect to see absolutely amazing temperatures, but my Q9550 has lower temps than yours at idle and load, yet I have very few case fans (all running at about 1200rpm) and a single CPU fan (running at between 1200-1500rpm). I'm not flexing my nuts -- I'm simply concerned that your water block may be not be mounted flush against the CPU or something along those lines. The water block is properly mounted. The Corsair mounting system is almost idiot-proof. The retention ring has teeth which positively engage the cooling head. Ensuring engagement is one of the reasons you tighten it up slowly and in a particular pattern. About the only thing that could be done would be to put a torque wrench on the retention screws on the clamping bracket. However, second best is ensuring that you tighten the screws in a star patters, just like a four bolt axle pattern on a car.
The link I provided above basically says that on an i7 860 -- which runs significantly hotter than your Q9650 and my Q9550 by a long shot -- their idle temperatures are lower than what you're seeing, while their load temperatures are about the same. There's a couple other reviews I skimmed through which show similar behaviour, and one which basically shows there's no temperature improvement but there is an improvement (decrease) in system noise compared to the Intel stock fan (which we all know is absurdly loud, and thus works pretty good as a universal reference point). Again, there are variables here which make the comparison somewhat invalid.
Please don't take what I've said to mean "I'm here to piss in your cornflakes". Please take what I said to mean "Was your Q9650, prior to the H50 installation, really idling at 55-62C and 67-71C under load w/out overclocking? If so, maybe we should try to figure out why that is, as that seems awfully high compared to my Q9550 system". On air, yes. The former cooler was an Arctic 7 Pro, not stock Intel. Much quieter than stock Intel, too.
My system consists of the following: - CPU: Intel Q9550- MB: Asus P5Q SE- GPU: BFG nVidia 9800GT ("Low Power" model; model number BFGE981024GTGE) - Disk: Western Digital WD5001AALS (internal temp 40C according to SMART) - Case: Antec P182- CPU HSF: Nexus LXM-8200 with fan powered off 5V header on mainboard, with system BIOS set to adjust fan speed dynamically (approx. 900-1200rpm) - Fans: Case is using stock fans running at medium speed setting (maybe 1500rpm, not sure) - Fans: Nexus D12SL-12, located in middle bay, powered via 12V header - Ambient room temperature is about 76F / 24.4C »Your System - July/August 2010
QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650, 3200 MHz (9 x 356)* New (replaced Q6600) Asus P5Q Pro 2048 MB (Kingston HyperX KHX8500D2/512 x 4) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 (1280 MB) Samsung SyncMaster 940BF/MagicSyncMaster CX903B/CX916B (Digital) [19" LCD] Monitor Samsung SyncMaster T220HD/T220MD (Digital) [22" LCD] (HVGS100165) Auzentech X-Fi Prelude 7.1 Sound Card Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 ATA Device (500 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II) Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 ATA Device (500 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II) OCZ AGILITY ATA Device (29 GB, IDE) Optical Drive HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22LS50 ATA Device SONY BD-ROM BDU-X10S ATA Device TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S183L ATA Device Mouse Microsoft USB Trackball Explorer (IntelliPoint) Network Adapter Intel(R) Gigabit CT Desktop Adapter
Wrapped in a new Thermaltake V3 case and the CPU cooled by a Corsair H50 CPU cooler.
Current fans are the Corsair cooler, blowing into the case, as per installation spec, and 1 x 120mm blowing out of the case on top. There is also additional venting on the top, allowing for increased air flow. The Corsair NX850 power supply is mounted on the bottom and inverted, so it takes cooler air from the bottom of the case and kicks it out through the bottom. The rummer feet are double thickness to allow more air to be evacuated. The more than adequate venting on the top plus the 120mm fan do allow a very positive air flow from the CPU cooler.
The case itself is a mid-tower, which is a more confined space than a full tower. One would expect temps to be higher in that situation. In addition, it is surrounded on four of six sides by the computer desk, with three inches of clearance on top, four on the left side and one on the bottom. This also serves to increase case temps, as opposed to an open, freestanding case.
Again -- not bragging. This is a very simple air-cooled workstation that's running 24x7x365 in my bedroom. I can take external temperatures using a cheap external IR thermometer if you'd like. I don't have access to an infrared thermometer.
I'm just concerned that something may not be connected quite right or flush with a surface. Quite possibly the temperatures you have are spot on -- I don't know. They just seem high for a water-cooled system, you know? Do you know what your ambient room temperature is? Maybe it's quite high and that would explain the overall difference. Again, I don't know. This is a basement room in an air-conditioned house. The temps are -+20C. The case, however, is surrounded by the desk, as will be shown in the next post. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews:
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The case environment. |
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 nerdburgPremium join:2009-08-20 Schuylkill Haven, PA kudos:1 | Oh man, get that bad boy out of the cabinet or at least take the back off in that section. -- -meh |
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1 edit | said by nerdburg:Oh man, get that bad boy out of the cabinet or at least take the back off in that section. There is no "back". That's actually a painted wall that is about 10" behind the desk. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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