 gar187erI do this for a living
join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
kudos:1 | pot meet kettle what good faith?!!? they own the channel, the building, a tea,, etc......there is no reason they need to grant another company access.....if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... |
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| said by gar187er:what good faith?!!? they own the channel, the building, a tea,, etc......there is no reason they need to grant another company access.....if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... Go cry to the NFL. DirecTV doesn't own Sunday Ticket. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
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said by gar187er:if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... The cable companies had a crack at Sunday Ticket, but they didn't bid high enough for the NFL to grant them access. Also, it's the NFL who owns the game broadcast rights who is interested in keeping access to Sunday Ticket somewhat limited so that it doesn't erode the value of their local market broadcast contracts. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to digitalfreak
said by digitalfreak:said by gar187er:what good faith?!!? they own the channel, the building, a tea,, etc......there is no reason they need to grant another company access.....if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... Go cry to the NFL. DirecTV doesn't own Sunday Ticket. No but they make sure no one else can offer it. Once again DirecTv is being hypocritical. If it's ok for DirecTv to hog Sunday Ticket it's OK for them to be shut out of SportNet Philly. I have ZERO sympathy for DirecTv. fuck 'em. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to espaeth
said by espaeth:said by gar187er:if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... The cable companies had a crack at Sunday Ticket, but they didn't bid high enough for the NFL to grant them access. Also, it's the NFL who owns the game broadcast rights who is interested in keeping access to Sunday Ticket somewhat limited so that it doesn't erode the value of their local market broadcast contracts. WRONG. Cable hasn't had a chance to bid on Sunday Ticket in well over a decade. Every few years DirecTv asks how much to keep Sunday Ticket exclusive the NFL quotes them a price and DirecTv pays it. If that's the only way DirecTv can get and keep customers says A LOT about their overal product. It must really suck. |
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espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| said by BF69:WRONG. Cable hasn't had a chance to bid on Sunday Ticket in well over a decade. They were in contract negotiations just last year, as this post alludes -- it's just that the cable companies didn't want to pony up a competing $1bn/year bid for access to Sunday Ticket.
said by BF69: If that's the only way DirecTv can get and keep customers says A LOT about their overal product. It must really suck. DirecTV owns the sports broadcasting market. I couldn't care less about NFL and Sunday Ticket, but for HD coverage for NHL Center Ice and MLB coverage there isn't a better provider out there.
This is a competitive advantage, no different than AT&T giving Apple truckloads'o'cash for iPhone exclusivity. Apple pitched the phone to all the carriers, but only AT&T was willing to accept the device on Apple's terms. |
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espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Clear Wireless
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said by BF69:Once again DirecTv is being hypocritical. If it's ok for DirecTv to hog Sunday Ticket it's OK for them to be shut out of SportNet Philly. I have ZERO sympathy for DirecTv. You do realize the news story was about Dish Network, not DirecTV -- right? |
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Directv has nothing to do with whether it is exclusive other than ASKING the NFL to allow it to be exclusive. It is 100% up to the NFL as to whether the contract becomes exclusive. If the NFL doesn't want it exclusive then they can choose not to make it exclusive. The NFL CHOOSES to do so because that means they get more money from Directv. But, it is still 100% the NFL's decision.
Using this as a competing argument about Comcast is just wrong. |
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said by BF69:said by espaeth:said by gar187er:if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... The cable companies had a crack at Sunday Ticket, but they didn't bid high enough for the NFL to grant them access. Also, it's the NFL who owns the game broadcast rights who is interested in keeping access to Sunday Ticket somewhat limited so that it doesn't erode the value of their local market broadcast contracts. WRONG. Cable hasn't had a chance to bid on Sunday Ticket in well over a decade. Every few years DirecTv asks how much to keep Sunday Ticket exclusive the NFL quotes them a price and DirecTv pays it. If that's the only way DirecTv can get and keep customers says A LOT about their overal product. It must really suck. I don't think comcast even has the room for 15 HD part time channels and one of the NFL rules for biding was all games in HD.
And what about other cable co's SEE 2-4 HD* games a week on NFL sunday ticket from in demand. With no HD games on NBA LP, MLB EI, NHL CI, or any PPV HD events at the same time.
* Late games are HD JIP. |
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 56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium
join:2006-03-08
Naples, FL
kudos:2 | reply to BF69
There is a massive difference between Cablevision and Comcast--who directly compete with DirecTV and Dish--withholding local sports programming from competitors than the NFL--which is an independent programming producer--negotiating an exclusive contract with DirecTV for which DTV pays dearly.
And as noted earlier, this story is about Dish Network. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC Reviews:
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I doubt DirecTV is only asking. They are probably paying a premium to be anti-competitive.
I think this is more in the FTC's line of work. Agreements that exclude competitors should be prohibited. Since it's gone on for so long, we must need another law. It's fine that the FCC is trying to do us some good, but to me it seems out of their jurisdiction. |
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1 edit | reply to BF69
You have some impressive observation skills. This is about Dish Network not Directv |
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gar187erI do this for a living
join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
kudos:1 | reply to espaeth
said by espaeth:said by gar187er:if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... The cable companies had a crack at Sunday Ticket, but they didn't bid high enough for the NFL to grant them access. Also, it's the NFL who owns the game broadcast rights who is interested in keeping access to Sunday Ticket somewhat limited so that it doesn't erode the value of their local market broadcast contracts. and guess what?!?! comcast has the rights to comcast sportsnet! so they should be able to dictate who can broadcast it |
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said by BF69:said by digitalfreak:said by gar187er:what good faith?!!? they own the channel, the building, a tea,, etc......there is no reason they need to grant another company access.....if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... Go cry to the NFL. DirecTV doesn't own Sunday Ticket. No but they make sure no one else can offer it. Once again DirecTv is being hypocritical. If it's ok for DirecTv to hog Sunday Ticket it's OK for them to be shut out of SportNet Philly. I have ZERO sympathy for DirecTv. fuck 'em. said by BF69:said by digitalfreak:Problem for Comcast: 1. They are trying to own NBC 2. They own that sports network said by gar187er:what good faith?!!? they own the channel, the building, a tea,, etc......there is no reason they need to grant another company access.....if thats the case, cable cos should have access to the sunday ticket.... Go cry to the NFL. DirecTV doesn't own Sunday Ticket. No but they make sure no one else can offer it. Once again DirecTv is being hypocritical. If it's ok for DirecTv to hog Sunday Ticket it's OK for them to be shut out of SportNet Philly. I have ZERO sympathy for DirecTv. fuck 'em. Yes, they should sell access. Sure Dish is trying to get it for nothing but I bet Cox, Directv, etc. would pay for the channel at a fair price.
Personally, I don't get the NFL Directv thing either but Directv doesn't own NFL Ticket. |
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espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2 Reviews:
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1 edit | reply to gar187er
said by gar187er:and guess what?!?! comcast has the rights to comcast sportsnet! so they should be able to dictate who can broadcast it Each team franchise negotiates their TV broadcast rights for their local market. There are really only 2 places in the country that this dispute is taking place:
New York -- The Dolan family owns CableVision, the Madison Square Garden Building, MSG Broadcast networks, and they own the Knicks (NBA) and Rangers (NHL) sports teams.
MSG has expanded to regional coverage including NJ and upstate NY, so they actually distribute the SD version of their channel relatively fairly, but they have been keeping close distribution of their HD channel to CableVision and cable providers who don't have a competing service footprint.
Philadelphia -- In the case of Comcast SportsNet Philly, the channel is owned 66% by Comcast and 33% by the Phillies MLB team. Comcast owns the Flyers (NHL) and 76ers (NBA), so with all 3 franchises having a financial stake in Comcast SportsNet Philly obviously they all have exclusive carriage with just that network.
So you have cable companies that own sports teams that in turn develop exclusive broadcast contracts on the sports network owned by the same parent company. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to gar187er
said by gar187er:what good faith?!!? they own the channel, the building, a tea,, etc......there is no reason they need to grant another company access Cablevision and Comcast don't own the ROW. If they are not willing to give fair access to the sports channels they own then they shouldn't be allowed to use the ROW. |
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There are several other important points here.
1. Sunday Ticket is a true exclusive. Only one owner (NFL) and one seller (DTV). Neither CSN Philly nor MSG and MSG+ HD feeds are exclusive.
2. Sunday Ticket is an out of market package that has zero impact on local markets. Nobody misses their local team because they can't or won't buy ST.
3. Everyone who's saying the ST should be sold to all distributors misses out on the fact that NFL doesn't want to. They want one seller to keep the price high (if they sold to everyone they'd get less in total than they do now) and to keep network affiliates from getting angry.
It amazes me how little understanding of these issues people are willing to exhibit. Comcast is using a smokescreen by bringing this into play hoping the FCC and perhaps even the courts will be just as uninformed. Something that';s not all that likely. |
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But that's the issue. They don't have exclusive contracts. MSG and MSG+ are sold to Comcast, TWC, RCN and even DirecTV.
CSN Philly is sold to RCN and FiOS.
If both companies had refused to sell to anyone, they'd have a much better case for withholding the channels. |
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