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Re: i dont see how it will sell said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. |
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Morton Grove, IL | said by Matt:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. I should be able to go a week on a charge. No problem here. |
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Volt has 40 mile range on battery alone, then gas generator starts recharging battery adding another 300 miles to the range on one tank of gas. |
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said by Matt:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. and several studies show that people get stuck in traffic, snow, etc. So you cant tell me, that 20 miles in the 'tank' is enough for all these situations. No one is foolish enough to ride on 5 miles of gas daily.
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said by Matt:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. The Volt has a 340 mile range since it is a hybrid which can go 300 miles on a full tank of gas.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Matt:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. The Volt has a 340 mile range since it is a hybrid which can go 300 miles on a full tank of gas. I forgot about that. It can go 40 miles on its electric charge alone. |
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said by DaveDude:said by Matt:said by DaveDude:I dont see how this car will sell, 40 mile range isnt enough, nevermind being stuck in traffic? What if you run out of power, its not like gas, where you pour it in. This will be the next smug mobile. 40 miles is plenty for me. The Chevy Volt also has a 40 mile range and several studies have shown that a huge percentage of the populations doesn't commute more than 20 miles each way. and several studies show that people get stuck in traffic, snow, etc. So you cant tell me, that 20 miles in the 'tank' is enough for all these situations. No one is foolish enough to ride on 5 miles of gas daily. You only use the power to drive your accessories when you're stuck in traffic. It's not like a gasoline engine where you use your fuel when you're stopped. |
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»www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/by···an-leaf/
Its says it has a max speed of 90mph, I dont think its turnpike worthy. Although 100 miles is estimated. Zero emission is a fantasy does the electricity just magically appear without a coal fire, gasoline, or nuke plant ? |
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kudos:12 | said by DaveDude:» www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/by···an-leaf/Its says it has a max speed of 90mph, I dont think its turnpike worthy. Although 100 miles is estimated. Zero emission is a fantasy does the electricity just magically appear without a coal fire, gasoline, or nuke plant ? Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil.
As far as the top speed, that doesn't matter. An electric engine generates thousands of pounds of torque from 0 RPM, so acceleration is outstanding. For example, the Leaf can 0-60 in 6 seconds ... |
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| said by Matt:said by DaveDude:» www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/by···an-leaf/Its says it has a max speed of 90mph, I dont think its turnpike worthy. Although 100 miles is estimated. Zero emission is a fantasy does the electricity just magically appear without a coal fire, gasoline, or nuke plant ? Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. As far as the top speed, that doesn't matter. An electric engine generates thousands of pounds of torque from 0 RPM, so acceleration is outstanding. For example, the Leaf can 0-60 in 6 seconds ... I think you need to drive on NJTP, 60 is standing still, never mind the truck lanes. Tell me how do you produce large amounts of electricity without gas , coal, or nuke ? Its not feasible. There are no hydro-electric plants being built, because of environmentalism.
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said by Matt:Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. Uh, you do know that nearly 70% of our electricity comes from those "nasty, icky" fossil fuels, right? Anyone who plugs a car into an outlet is contributing MORE to pollution than by driving a conventional econobox.
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And since most environuts are opposed to any new electrical generation or expansion of the electrical grid, how are people supposed to power this thing if everyone decides to buy one of these things, with magic?
Electrical cars are a joke. Anyone who had a PowerWheels as a kid would tell you that. If you really want to save the planet, do what I do and buy a high-mpg compact car.
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0-60 is a measure of acceleration, which you seem to have missed somehow.
The top speed is 90mph. The only road I have heard of where there is regular travel above 90mph is the Autoban in Germany.
Also, where did you get the idea that nuke plants generate a large amount of emissions? Also, why do you keep hammering on this stupid point that has been addressed. The goal is to lessen emissions. Do you argue that gasoline run cars generate less emissions than fully electric cars running on electricity generated from say, a nuke plant? Or a hydro dam?
In any case, there are a wide variety of ways to generate large amounts of electricity without coal or gas plants. In fact, I don't think I have ever heard of gasoline being used to generate large amounts of electricity, that would be horribly inefficient. Point of evidence, I can't remember if it is Greenland or Iceland but their whole country runs on a geothermal grid. Large amounts of energy can be generated in many ways, though nuclear power is one of those I think is the cleanest and safest myself.
I think hippies have done more damage to the environment than many other factors just by keeping ancient coal firing plants active because they keep protesting nuke plants. |
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said by Matt:You only use the power to drive your accessories when you're stuck in traffic. It's not like a gasoline engine where you use your fuel when you're stopped. +1 The same is true for current hybrids like the Prius. One gets great mileage in traffic jams in a hybrid. Every once in a while, the gasoline engine turns on to recharge the battery. |
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| said by cghh:said by Matt:You only use the power to drive your accessories when you're stuck in traffic. It's not like a gasoline engine where you use your fuel when you're stopped. +1 The same is true for current hybrids like the Prius. One gets great mileage in traffic jams in a hybrid. Every once in a while, the gasoline engine turns on to recharge the battery. There has to be some power drain, i mean the car has to keep itself in a forward mode, even on flat pavement, i am sure its low, but definitely a loss of some kind.
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said by pnh102:said by Matt:Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. Uh, you do know that nearly 70% of our electricity comes from those "nasty, icky" fossil fuels, right? Anyone who plugs a car into an outlet is contributing MORE to pollution than by driving a conventional econobox. Depends on where you live. The July issue of Scientific American has an article breaking down the tradeoffs with respect to carbon emissions for all-electric and plug-in hybrids in various regions of the country. In areas such as the East that generate a lot of their electricity from coal, all-electrics and plug-in hybrids indeed result in a net increase in carbon emissions over a non-plugin hybrid. In the West, where most of the electricity comes from natural gas, the opposite is true: there is a net decrease in carbon emission for electrics and plug-in hybrids. See »www.scientificamerican.com/artic···-hybrids |
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said by HappyAnarchy :
0-60 is a measure of acceleration, which you seem to have missed somehow.
The top speed is 90mph. The only road I have heard of where there is regular travel above 90mph is the Autoban in Germany.
Also, where did you get the idea that nuke plants generate a large amount of emissions? Also, why do you keep hammering on this stupid point that has been addressed. The goal is to lessen emissions. Do you argue that gasoline run cars generate less emissions than fully electric cars running on electricity generated from say, a nuke plant? Or a hydro dam?
I think hippies have done more damage to the environment than many other factors just by keeping ancient coal firing plants active because they keep protesting nuke plants.
I think you missed my repetitively mentioning that no one ever goes the speed limit on the NJTP, ever. So topping at 90, is not a good idea, typical speed is around 80, not much leeway there.
Nuke plants produce nuclear waste, But i never said they produce emissions. And YES there are gasoline cars that produce less emissions then a hybrids. How can a car powered by electricity have no emissions? How did the power get there ? There was no electric plant involved. It like saying the theater produced a movie ? duh
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said by cghh:said by pnh102:said by Matt:Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. Uh, you do know that nearly 70% of our electricity comes from those "nasty, icky" fossil fuels, right? Anyone who plugs a car into an outlet is contributing MORE to pollution than by driving a conventional econobox. Depends on where you live. The July issue of Scientific American has an article breaking down the tradeoffs with respect to carbon emissions for all-electric and plug-in hybrids in various regions of the country. In areas such as the East that generate a lot of their electricity from coal, all-electrics and plug-in hybrids indeed result in a net increase in carbon emissions over a non-plugin hybrid. In the West, where most of the electricity comes from natural gas, the opposite is true: there is a net decrease in carbon emission for electrics and plug-in hybrids. See » www.scientificamerican.com/artic···-hybrids I read the Scientific American article and what they call pollution is carbon dioxide. So in heavy coal using states there will be more carbon dioxide produced than if the car ran on pure gasoline. And that is only true if non-coal electric plants aren't built to handle the extra demand of electric vehicles.
But I don't buy the nonsense put out by the EPA that carbon dioxide is a pollutant.
If you ignore that, then a plug-in or pure electric vehicle is less polluting than a pure gasoline vehicle.
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Re: i dont see how it will sell said by DaveDude:said by Matt:said by DaveDude:» www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/by···an-leaf/Its says it has a max speed of 90mph, I dont think its turnpike worthy. Although 100 miles is estimated. Zero emission is a fantasy does the electricity just magically appear without a coal fire, gasoline, or nuke plant ? Electricity is much cheaper to generate than gasoline and produces less emissions. Zero emissions means from the car. Not to mention removing our dependence on foreign oil. As far as the top speed, that doesn't matter. An electric engine generates thousands of pounds of torque from 0 RPM, so acceleration is outstanding. For example, the Leaf can 0-60 in 6 seconds ... I think you need to drive on NJTP, 60 is standing still, never mind the truck lanes. Tell me how do you produce large amounts of electricity without gas , coal, or nuke ? Its not feasible. There are no hydro-electric plants being built, because of environmentalism. Not real enviromentalist but NIMBY's |
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said by cghh:+1 The same is true for current hybrids like the Prius. One gets great mileage in traffic jams in a hybrid. Every once in a while, the gasoline engine turns on to recharge the battery. That's the problem with the Leaf, it doesn't have a backup gasoline engine so if you get into one of these situations, you're going to need a tow to the nearest power outlet.
The leaf isn't designed for long distance/country driving though.
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