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0-60 is a measure of acceleration, which you seem to have missed somehow.
The top speed is 90mph. The only road I have heard of where there is regular travel above 90mph is the Autoban in Germany.

Also, where did you get the idea that nuke plants generate a large amount of emissions? Also, why do you keep hammering on this stupid point that has been addressed. The goal is to lessen emissions. Do you argue that gasoline run cars generate less emissions than fully electric cars running on electricity generated from say, a nuke plant? Or a hydro dam?

In any case, there are a wide variety of ways to generate large amounts of electricity without coal or gas plants. In fact, I don't think I have ever heard of gasoline being used to generate large amounts of electricity, that would be horribly inefficient. Point of evidence, I can't remember if it is Greenland or Iceland but their whole country runs on a geothermal grid. Large amounts of energy can be generated in many ways, though nuclear power is one of those I think is the cleanest and safest myself.

I think hippies have done more damage to the environment than many other factors just by keeping ancient coal firing plants active because they keep protesting nuke plants.

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Actually both DaveDude & pnh102 should both do a bit more reading before spouting off. The last user I mentioned would then note that their is much debate depending on who paid for the research in regards to the amount of pollution produced - car versus power plant.

The general conclusion is that if a good majority of fossil fuel terrorist supporting gasoline ICE engines were taken off the road it would be better for the overall health of people and the planet.

While power plants use some nasty items to produce power. The emissions are controlled at a great rate. In the end more garbage comes out the tailpipe than the power stack.

Granted coal, nuclear & natural gas plants all have some very nasty byproducts leftover after the power has been produced. Not to mention the overall impact of mining or drilling.

It's interesting that most people forget early adopters normally have more money than most of us. Many current electric car owners power their vehicles using wind or solar at home and work.

I also find it funny how these macho ICE head types still can't understand the fact that a properly designed electric car will smoke a car running a combustion engine off the line any day of the week.

You are aware that a Tesla Roadster does a 3.7 second 0 to 60 time right? That puts Tesla in the very top rankings. Only a handful of super cars rank at that level or higher.

I can tell you once you take a ride in one you'll wonder why your gearhead loving backside every doubted the power of electric. Basic science tells you that an electric engine is more efficient. So you get more performance for the energy being used.

The continued ranting and raving against change is exactly why this country is heading for the gutter. I'm actually biting my tongue not to get really abusive and make personal attacks. From what I've seen over the years it is a waste of my time to even try to get most of you to open your eyes to get a clue.

For supposedly educated people I didn't come across any of you using your brains to argue why electric cars might really be dirty. From what I see all of you just used the same boring old arguments that have been held everywhere else.

If you would do more reading than ranting you would know most of your negative comments have been disproven time and again. To bad most of you will remain to close minded to see that.

Most of the lame comments made here are exactly the reason the United States is getting it's butt kicked in regards to new technology. Everyone cries about wanting jobs yet don't want to embrace the new technologies that bring those paychecks.

The reason China and Germany are outperforming us in regards to manufacturing is the fact that those countries have embraced newer technologies and the companies that produce them. While America sits on it's ass & has silly debates while b-tching and moaning about the need for new jobs.

Honestly I really wish more people would start sucking on those tailpipes they seem to love so much. Might thin the herd a bit.

For the haters why not take a look at real Americans who instead of whining and debating got off their backsides and put their money where their mouth is. $120,000 plus to be exact.

Tranny knocks out Illuminati Motor Works

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It's just to damn bad that this type of spirit is long gone for most who live in the USA. That car looks fairly normal built by Americans who feel you have to lead by example.
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The source I cite comes to Wiki through the Department of Energy. The fact is plugging in creates more demand for fossil fuel driven power. It is also indisputable that it is beyond impossible for cheap power production to expand in the US because of pressure from environmentalists. You can build all the wind and solar plants you want but the costs of the power produced from these sources is much more expensive than coal, natural gas or nuclear power. On top of that, how will solar cells create power at night when these vehicles need to charge? How will wind turbines create power when the wind doesn't blow?

So again. Without extra power available, where are these cars going to get their juice?

You point out how "well designed electric cars" "smoke" a conventional car you fail to point out that if these cars were so good, why are massive government subsidies and tax breaks needed in order to give companies incentives to produce them and people to buy them? Why can't they stand on their own merits?

And if you're going to talk about Tesla, their cheapest offerings are well over $100k. That is far beyond the reach of any price-conscious consumer who is looking to save a buck. Even their sedan offering, the Model S, is going to cost at least $50K. If I could spend that kind of money on a car, why would I care about saving money on gasoline?

The Chevy Volt is going to run $41K and the Nissan Leaf is going to cost $32K. You can already get a high mpg econobox for well under $20K these days.
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you must not know anything about wind power do you? There is always some wind blowing. Why on earth do you think that the wind mills are put up at a certain height for? Just to do something? Also you must not have heard about the RoadSide Wind Turbines either that would work for this method.

Also it is not expensive to build solar and wind farms its the fact that the energy companies don't want to do it and will do anything they can to keep it out.
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What power plants would need to do is have some way to store the energy. Hydrogen comes to mind, but has its issues to work out.

Basically, you can build a solar grid at the average use instead of the peak use. Any energy needed beyond that is generated by burning hydrogen, which was generated on off-peak times when the use was low. This would also solve the night-time power generation issue. Larger storage plants would be useful for locations far North or South where the days become very long and very short during Summer and Winter.

Lots of work to do, yes, but I think we might be closer to solving the energy crisis than we think. Now if we could get that released water vapor to condense before it hits the atmosphere...

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you must not have read why i said the power companies don't want the wind power. they can't charge all fees they do now. Plus as far as cost; the feds and states pay for you to build these machines.

but you should know that already. And yes wind does blow all the time. Weather you feel it or not it does blow.
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