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2 edits | said by fatness:said by amigo_boy:Everyone who argued against warrentless wiretaps and NSA data mining just lost a lot of ground. It was just a matter of time until it happened. There's always some clown like Assange who goes too far, ruining it for everyone. I figured that's where you were going with all of this, since you've always supported the warrantless wiretapping and big government in general. You say that the wiretapping is needed to protect us from dangerous people who want to do us harm. And then you quote one of those those dangerous people in your first post here as a reliable source to back up your argument. That's ludicrous. Why is that ludicrous? If you were to support a site which promoted whistle-blowing as a necessary function of a civil, open society, and then used an episode of whistle-blowing (revealing the worst atrocity or corruption) as proof of why you'd held that position, I wouldn't call it ludicrous. I'd say you have a good example of your position.
I've only taken the position that unrestrained whistle-blowing is not virtuous. It becomes libelous or a threat to national security. Eventually, someone like WikiLeaks (he individuals behind it) will go too far, leading to justification of the laws that allowed for warrentless wiretaps. Or, additional laws to to institutionalize NSA data mining.
I've said that I can see the benefit of leaking something like an atrocity or procurement corruption.
But, I believe wikileaks went far beyond that. Publishing documents that don't reveal anything of any value except to the Taliban. The only way it's justified is if you engage in a the nebulous, abstract "bigger picture" argument like "Noah" did.
It's unfortunate. It's going to lead to what opponents of greater regulation and surveillance oppose. All because some people (like AssMange) can't do the right thing without "big government" watching over their shoulder.
It's not that I support that reality. Just saying that is the reality. It's why we had the laws which allowed warrantless wiretaps even before 9/11. It's why we'll see greater public support for such laws.
It just is what it is. |
