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| reply to BlueC
Re: Small ISPS not always true. The Co-Ops are NOT tax payer backed. They're only backed by the people who actually have service so your comment isnt all that true. And to gain access to ESPN3 we're talking at most 75cents per customer. Instead of supplying emails or news groups to a customer, they could take that money and put it into offering value added service like this. Email addys and NGs by ISPs are a thing of the past. paid portals via ISP are the next new thing. the ISPs need to roll over and accept it or they'll find themselves without any customers.
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BlueC
join:2009-11-26
Minneapolis, MN Reviews:
 ·Integra Telecom
 ·voip.ms
 ·T-Mobile US
1 edit | And what about the subscribers that don't care for ESPN3? Is it fair to charge them access to content that they don't need?
This is exactly what's wrong with the direction things are going. ISPs need to provide people with a dumb pipe. Let the subscribers/consumer decide what content they want. If content providers want to charge $ for access, they should do it on a subscription level and not hold certain IP addresses hostage.
That would be like your mobile provider having to pay extra money so you can call certain blocks of phone numbers. It's complete garbage. |
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| is it wrong for ATT to charge me for email addresses i don't use? you comment about ESPN doesn't have much weight because the access is built into the price the same as everything else is. If you don't use your ISP email; do you get a discount? Nope! they take away News Groups. You get a discount? Nope!
See my point? its built into the price and its the way things are going. You either accept the fact that the industry is changing and adopt or you don't and face the fact you'll either 1- go out of business (if you're an ISP that won't partner) or 2- face dealing with customers and their bitching about "prices". especially when a good share of the public now do NOT use their ISP email and they don't get any discounts for that.
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| reply to BlueC
and mobile provider and the 'net are 2 different things. |
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| reply to hottboiinnc
75 Cents to ESPN, and then 75 Cents to HBO, and then 75 Cents to MTV, and then 75 Cents to Showtime, and then 75 Cents to CNN, and then 75 Cents.....
Where does it stop? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc:the access is built into the price the same as everything else is. Not initially, but as price hikes come along it will be. The real issue is that this sets a precedence. What about the HBO situation? What happens when some other popular content provider steps up to negotiate a similar deal? While $0.75 here or there may not seem like much, when 10 content providers step up with similar tactics, you're now looking at $7.50/mth for all subscribers. I for one will not be happy when my ISP increases my rate 18% for value added service I didn't ask for, nor will I ever use. |
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said by hottboiinnc:is it wrong for ATT to charge me for email addresses i don't use? you comment about ESPN doesn't have much weight because the access is built into the price the same as everything else is. If you don't use your ISP email; do you get a discount? Nope! they take away News Groups. You get a discount? Nope! But did you want them to keep News Groups and have the price go up? or have no News Groups and you can buy your own and not have to pay for the poor basic Groups + the GOOD higher cost one. |
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BlueC
join:2009-11-26
Minneapolis, MN Reviews:
·Integra Telecom
·voip.ms
·T-Mobile US
| reply to hottboiinnc
E-mail is not a worthwhile comparison to accessing 3rd party content. If someone doesn't use an e-mail address, it costs the ISP nothing (even if they use it, it's such little expense). If somebody chooses not to access a 3rd party content provider, the ISP is still paying for the service.
Regardless, it makes monopolies worse. If a large ISP chooses to not pay for certain content, the subscribers suffer. Like I said, it makes sense to leave the content access up to the subscribers and not the ISPs. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to battleop
said by battleop:75 Cents to ESPN, and then 75 Cents to HBO, and then 75 Cents to MTV, and then 75 Cents to Showtime, and then 75 Cents to CNN, and then 75 Cents..... Where does it stop? Well except Comcast pays 5 cents, but I see your point. |
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| reply to joepubpc
but the price never went down either. And that's the point. It comes back to the whole Muni thing. The majority of the customers (taxpayers) will decide on what is offered. |
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| reply to openbox9
and like my post below says. The majority will decide what you want. and you'll pay for it. if not you can change ISPs. Thats the way businesses work. |
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| reply to BlueC
and yes it is. It does cost money. It costs money for that server to be on, it costs bandwidth, it also costs time to maintain that server and make sure its reliable. those items are not free.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to hottboiinnc
You fail to acknowledge that very few ISPs are co-ops that allow members to directly make decisions. |
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it stops when you change your ISP if you dont' agree with it. |
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| reply to openbox9
they're still a co-op when it is said and done. But the fact is if they can provide it; there is no reason why nobody can't. especially when these co-ops only have a hand full of customers. |
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BlueC
join:2009-11-26
Minneapolis, MN | reply to hottboiinnc
Not anywhere near $0.75/user. If less people use their ISPs email address, don't you think there will be considerably less bandwidth used? less server use? etc
Of course those items aren't free, but it's not a fixed cost @ $0.75/user. |
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BlueC
join:2009-11-26
Minneapolis, MN | reply to hottboiinnc
Oh yea, easy option for everyone..... not really.... |
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| reply to BlueC
and it can be. are you out sourcing it? Nothing is free. |
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| reply to BlueC
then you'll embrace it and deal with it. the same you do with TV rate hikes with both cableTV, IPTV (telco) and Sat. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to hottboiinnc
You've lost me now. Are you referencing a specific co-op that has successfully negotiated a deal with Disney for ESPN3 content? |
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