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| sooner or later the cablecos will have to make use of the docsis 3.0 equipment they've invested millions on.. just dont' think that an asymmetrical 50/5 or 100/15 tier will do the job in the mainstream. i had this cold calling telemarketer from the local cable company tell me how 4/5 people he calls don't care about the upstream. nevertheless, it's hard to get a subscriber back from a low cost symmetrical broadband if they can't offer anything competitive. cable companies are the TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT kind of way of doing business. telcos since losing tons of customers are more in the mood of let's make a deal... or go broke trying.
cable companies have been put on notice for a few years now.. upstream DOES matter, right along with price & reliability. let's see if anything changes in 2011. the big 3 to watch are Comcast, Time Warner, Cablevision. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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·Comcast
| Here's the thing: the only way a telco can compete with even 5 Mbps up is via VDSL (short loop copper) or FTTH.
Where neither of the above are available, they can't compete.
If you switch to 10 Mbps up instead of 5 Mbps, then the loop lengths on VDSL have to get even shorter. Anything above 20Mbps just isn't possible in real deployments outside of, say, a building. |
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SO let me ask you - what is the average home user going to need 10 or 20Mbps upload for?
Just a straight up honest question.
And remember this is the AVERAGE home user, for legal uses only. |
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| said by fifty nine:SO let me ask you - what is the average home user going to need 10 or 20Mbps upload for? Just a straight up honest question. And remember this is the AVERAGE home user, for legal uses only. Easy to use online backup services, like Crashplan maybe? |
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said by fifty nine:SO let me ask you - what is the average home user going to need 10 or 20Mbps upload for? Just a straight up honest question. And remember this is the AVERAGE home user, for legal uses only. Unless Skype invents HD Video Telephony or you upload a lot of photos, not a whole lot.. 
-edit- Unless everyone gets Orb or something like that. That program is GREAT for streaming movies and music from your PC. You need good upload for that... |
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| reply to fifty nine
What in the world would the average home user need more than 64k of ram?
Hardware always restricts the developers. Once DOCSIS 3 rolls more main stream I can easily see applications popping up that will use it... legally. |
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Video Streaming. DTV on Demand with multiple receivers. Online gaming (which is mainstream even if you don't think so)
Potential WebTV that is currently being developed and could be right around the corner. Google's starting theirs up now.
Real time backup. Video Conferencing. Video calling.
The number of uses for greater than 7mb BBD are many and increasing. More importantly the use is trickling down to the average household, and the rate of uptake is increasing. Just like 10-15 years ago cel phones weren't used by the average person and now kids even have cel phones and a great deal of people have cel phones instead of actual phones.
High speed is the future and the future is now. /cheesy catch phrase |
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·Verizon FiOS
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to fifty nine
Late 90s:
SO let me ask you - what is the average home user going to need 33 Kbps upload for?
Just a straight up honest question.
And remember this is the AVERAGE home user, for legal uses only.
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cwh
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San Antonio, TX | reply to talz13
said by talz13:said by fifty nine:SO let me ask you - what is the average home user going to need 10 or 20Mbps upload for? Just a straight up honest question. And remember this is the AVERAGE home user, for legal uses only. Easy to use online backup services, like Crashplan maybe? I use an online backup service. My initial back up took several days, but after that it is only backs up the differences. Faster upload would not really help this situation a great deal. |
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"What in the world would the average home user need more than 64k of ram?"
Oh man... That's the most original post ever! |
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said by iansltx: Anything above 20Mbps just isn't possible in real deployments outside of, say, a building. I wouldn't go that far. I'm in a house and get 24Mbps down with U-verse.
In general I agree with you though that xDSL just isn't going to cut it.
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| reply to HappyAnarchy
you can't say WebTV that's a trademark of MSFT's WebTV product. It's basically Internet TV. |
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| reply to runzero
any type of online gaming is going to require 128Kbps upload at a minimum. hell, majority of all voip providers recommend at least 128kbps upload unless you want your call to sound like a cell phone. I'd say 1Mb is pretty fine for upload for the average home user. parents like to use the vonage and upload lots of pics, while their kids want to play xbox live.
i have 50/20 fios and setup a site-to-site VPN with all 3 of our main offices and transfer crap back and forth all day. i also access my NAS so i can stream some TV or music so i don't get bored  |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to digitalfreak
Sorry, I should've specified that I was talking about *upstream* speeds. 30-40 Mbps down is doable over bonded ADSL2+ or VDSL2, but upstream speeds are quite a bit harder.
Hmm, bonded VDSL2... |
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said by battleop:"What in the world would the average home user need more than 64k of ram?" Oh man... That's the most original post ever! If the shoe fits... |
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| reply to digitalfreak
This company sounds like a contractor for AT&T. Tooting VDSL like it's better than fiber. Obviously they don't have any fiber experience/customers or they would realize when a horse was dead. |
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| reply to digitalfreak
he was referring to upload, not download. |
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| reply to iansltx
And again, bonded upstream DOCSIS 3.0 will wind up providing 20 Mbps upstream in short order. |
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said by fifty nine:SO let me ask you - what is the average home user going to need 10 or 20Mbps upload for? Just a straight up honest question. And remember this is the AVERAGE home user, for legal uses only. EVERYTHING? Video? Backups? My wife tried to upload an 800 MB video file yesterday. Fortunately, we have 35 Mbps symmetrical fiber.
"What will Joe Schmoe do with such technology" always winds up being such a silly question.... |
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said by cwh:said by talz13:said by fifty nine:SO let me ask you - what is the average home user going to need 10 or 20Mbps upload for? Just a straight up honest question. And remember this is the AVERAGE home user, for legal uses only. Easy to use online backup services, like Crashplan maybe? I use an online backup service. My initial back up took several days, but after that it is only backs up the differences. Faster upload would not really help this situation a great deal. My initial backup took almost a month, and that was after I pared down the amount that I wanted to back up. 180gb does not move very fast over 768k upstream. |
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