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 DennisPremium,Mod
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kudos:5 | actually kind of offensive statistically speaking this survey isn't even inaccurate it's offensive. They've extrapolated a correlation based on data that was incorrectly gathered and analyzed. | |
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kudos:1 | Exactly. This is barely one step up from "So I asked a bunch of people I know...". | |
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| said by bt:Exactly. This is barely one step up from "So I asked a bunch of people I know...". Which is a poll used in the Apple forum here. "I asked my buddies and they didn't have the issue so it doesn't exist"....
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Johnson City, TN | said by ptrowski:said by bt:Exactly. This is barely one step up from "So I asked a bunch of people I know...". Which is a poll used in the Apple forum here. "I asked my buddies and they didn't have the issue so it doesn't exist".... Thats what you took from it im sure. The reality and context of it was that not all people have the issue for one reason or another. Lets be honest, not everyone holds the phone that way, not everyone goes naked on a full glass phone, and so on.... To add to that not every ATT area is horrible and service is actually very strong for many people, so they are really not going to see a issue.
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| Enjoying my posts now are you? I am flattered. You assume I am speaking about you.
Not everyone holds a phone in a certain way, but discounting the ones that do is ridiculous. As a well respected phone manufacturer you should take these things into consideration. Many people use cases but should not have to worry about it. Actually in reality it's a brilliant marketing ploy from Apple. | | |
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ChillinNo i7, no care.Premium
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Johnson City, TN | said by ptrowski:Enjoying my posts now are you? I am flattered. You assume I am speaking about you. Not everyone holds a phone in a certain way, but discounting the ones that do is ridiculous. As a well respected phone manufacturer you should take these things into consideration. Many people use cases but should not have to worry about it. Actually in reality it's a brilliant marketing ploy from Apple. Who's discounting it? Nobody is, YOU however often overstate the issue. That much is true. You often make it sound like EVERYONE CAN NOT MAKE A CALL AND BABIES ARE DYING.
Seems to me like that in all my searching on the internet, you might be the very person that worries the most about this issue.
You worry about a case, WOW. Who worries about a case? What does your life consist of that such a thing effects you in anyway shape or form? The data says that at the very least 80%+ people WANT a case.
Yes Apple markets at a level most companies drool over.
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| Wow, no need to get worked up. I don't claim that no one can make a call and that babies are dying. I see your drama classes are paying off.
Simply put, this should have not been an issue from day one. This time form over function was not the best path to take. I think that is a fairly obvious.
I am not worried about a case, that would be a fairly silly thing now wouldn't it. I actually have three different ones. But making a selling point of it being the thinnest phone (which is great) but then adding bulk to it with a case is a bit odd. One should be able to enjoy the form and function should they want to. That's all, nothing more.
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Johnson City, TN | said by ptrowski:Wow, no need to get worked up. I don't claim that no one can make a call and that babies are dying. I see your drama classes are paying off. Simply put, this should have not been an issue from day one. This time form over function was not the best path to take. I think that is a fairly obvious. I am not worried about a case, that would be a fairly silly thing now wouldn't it. I actually have three different ones. But making a selling point of it being the thinnest phone (which is great) but then adding bulk to it with a case is a bit odd. One should be able to enjoy the form and function should they want to. That's all, nothing more. No drama here dude, I actually am reacting to your constant drama about a case, like your mother took away your toy, or something.
You said "should not have to worry about a case", which indicates that you ARE worrying about a case. Those are your words not mine.....
I see people enjoying the iPhone 4 without a case, I guess they must all not be able to make calls and such, they must be really unhappy with it, which is why they use the phone so mcuh.
Meanwhile back on earth, you are the single person making the loudest noise on this site about something MOST poeple forgot about 15 seconds after they got their phone. You should try it, and try a little less of that drama queen shit.
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| said by Chillin:said by ptrowski:Wow, no need to get worked up. I don't claim that no one can make a call and that babies are dying. I see your drama classes are paying off. Simply put, this should have not been an issue from day one. This time form over function was not the best path to take. I think that is a fairly obvious. I am not worried about a case, that would be a fairly silly thing now wouldn't it. I actually have three different ones. But making a selling point of it being the thinnest phone (which is great) but then adding bulk to it with a case is a bit odd. One should be able to enjoy the form and function should they want to. That's all, nothing more. No drama here dude, I actually am reacting to your constant drama about a case, like your mother took away your toy, or something. You said "should not have to worry about a case", which indicates that you ARE worrying about a case. Those are your words not mine..... I see people enjoying the iPhone 4 without a case, I guess they must all not be able to make calls and such, they must be really unhappy with it, which is why they use the phone so mcuh. Meanwhile back on earth, you are the single person making the loudest noise on this site about something MOST poeple forgot about 15 seconds after they got their phone. You should try it, and try a little less of that drama queen shit. I have no worries about a case, please understand that without having to fly off the handle and starting swearing.
But the fact is some people feel a case or bumper is necessary to have to avoid a signal issue. Apple did not quell some of that sentiment with their case program and now with additional rumors swirling about a new revision after the end of this month would refute the claim that this is just a normal factor of all cellphones.
Allow me to state again, it doesn't affect everyone.
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Johnson City, TN | said by ptrowski:said by Chillin:said by ptrowski:Wow, no need to get worked up. I don't claim that no one can make a call and that babies are dying. I see your drama classes are paying off. Simply put, this should have not been an issue from day one. This time form over function was not the best path to take. I think that is a fairly obvious. I am not worried about a case, that would be a fairly silly thing now wouldn't it. I actually have three different ones. But making a selling point of it being the thinnest phone (which is great) but then adding bulk to it with a case is a bit odd. One should be able to enjoy the form and function should they want to. That's all, nothing more. No drama here dude, I actually am reacting to your constant drama about a case, like your mother took away your toy, or something. You said "should not have to worry about a case", which indicates that you ARE worrying about a case. Those are your words not mine..... I see people enjoying the iPhone 4 without a case, I guess they must all not be able to make calls and such, they must be really unhappy with it, which is why they use the phone so mcuh. Meanwhile back on earth, you are the single person making the loudest noise on this site about something MOST poeple forgot about 15 seconds after they got their phone. You should try it, and try a little less of that drama queen shit. I have no worries about a case, please understand that without having to fly off the handle and starting swearing. But the fact is some people feel a case or bumper is necessary to have to avoid a signal issue. Apple did not quell some of that sentiment with their case program and now with additional rumors swirling about a new revision after the end of this month would refute the claim that this is just a normal factor of all cellphones. Allow me to state again, it doesn't affect everyone. You always subtract context to suit your case.
Signal loss is a normal factor with all cellphones when holding them in certain ways, the iPhone 4 is more drastic. Even small children could look at it, and avoid it. I mean troll yourself if you like, but most people can see it, and move their finger fairly easy. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Just because others do it less, some a lot less, doesn't mean other phones dont do it as you are now saying. There are videos of this on youtube, and even Apple.
You are right it doesn't effect everyone and in fact its probably safe to say it doesn't even effect most. Hell I would almost guess on the high side it still is in the single digits as far as % of people this really is a problem for. Dont be a drama queen over such a small % of people. I mean if "most" people were affected by this wouldn't they be talking about it?
There are far better "causes" out there you could waste your time on, you choose to worry about cases, and make cry posts about Steve Jobs. Seems so pointless.
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| said by Chillin:You always subtract context to suit your case. Signal loss is a normal factor with all cellphones when holding them in certain ways, the iPhone 4 is more drastic. Even small children could look at it, and avoid it. I mean troll yourself if you like, but most people can see it, and move their finger fairly easy. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Just because others do it less, some a lot less, doesn't mean other phones dont do it as you are now saying. There are videos of this on youtube, and even Apple. You are right it doesn't effect everyone and in fact its probably safe to say it doesn't even effect most. Hell I would almost guess on the high side it still is in the single digits as far as % of people this really is a problem for. Dont be a drama queen over such a small % of people. I mean if "most" people were affected by this wouldn't they be talking about it? There are far better "causes" out there you could waste your time on, you choose to worry about cases, and make cry posts about Steve Jobs. Seems so pointless. Again, so I then have to alter the way I have been holding a cell phone for the past 15+ years? There you go again.
The same could be said my friend about the never ending defense of Apple and the iPhone you have. It's all a matter of opinion.
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Johnson City, TN | said by ptrowski:said by Chillin:You always subtract context to suit your case. Signal loss is a normal factor with all cellphones when holding them in certain ways, the iPhone 4 is more drastic. Even small children could look at it, and avoid it. I mean troll yourself if you like, but most people can see it, and move their finger fairly easy. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Just because others do it less, some a lot less, doesn't mean other phones dont do it as you are now saying. There are videos of this on youtube, and even Apple. You are right it doesn't effect everyone and in fact its probably safe to say it doesn't even effect most. Hell I would almost guess on the high side it still is in the single digits as far as % of people this really is a problem for. Dont be a drama queen over such a small % of people. I mean if "most" people were affected by this wouldn't they be talking about it? There are far better "causes" out there you could waste your time on, you choose to worry about cases, and make cry posts about Steve Jobs. Seems so pointless. Again, so I then have to alter the way I have been holding a cell phone for the past 15+ years? There you go again. The same could be said my friend about the never ending defense of Apple and the iPhone you have. It's all a matter of opinion. Meanwhile back in reality, you have a case on your phone, so this doens't even matter.
Never ending defense of Apple? I guess you have missed me insult Apple on Mac Pros, Mac Book Pros, and other products. Dont be a drama queen dude. Do your research, I dont bow to Apple in anyway shape of form.
Instead I look at how people use the iPhone, which is in a case 90%+ of users I would say, so in that context it matters zero what it works like under it. The others, take it back, refund, etc. Move on with life.
Cry about the EVO you get which cant make it through a day, or other phones that flat out fall short of the mark. You know it after all since you BOUGHT the iPhone KNOWING of this problem, yet you still cry about it. Seems so off base considering you use a case this makes this whole effort you put on over and over and over seem so pointless. You must have a exciting life.
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| I do actually, and it doesn't consist of following people's posts and trolling them unlike yourself.
If you are willing to accept an issue and allow companies to get away with it, that's your prerogative. More power to you. Personally I am not one to do that.
And yes, I missed your posts about the Macs as personally I don't usually read too much about what you post.
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Johnson City, TN | said by ptrowski:I do actually, and it doesn't consist of following people's posts and trolling them unlike yourself. If you are willing to accept an issue and allow companies to get away with it, that's your prerogative. More power to you. Personally I am not one to do that. And yes, I missed your posts about the Macs as personally I don't usually read too much about what you post. Follow people, really now. I follow topics, not you, dont flatter yourself.
I am fine with attacking a company when the way a product is used is a problem for the majority. Unfortunatley for you that is not the case on the iPhone since almost everyone puts them in cases and they move on with their lives. Try it sometime.
I don't doubt you missed my posts on Macs, you cherry pick to suit your argument without any real substance.
You sit around and basically in so many words say I am a fan boy and claim I think Apple does no wrong. You couldn't have that more wrong and you got that from my opinion of ONE product. Try checking out things a bit deeper before making such assumptions.
That would do you some good on the iPhone as well, you seem to take your own opinion as the end all be all. I base my opinion facts.
Fact: Most people put their phones in case = no issue.
Fact: Nobody in any real numbers returned these things, at least not with the data we have.
Fact: Dispite having a widely known "flaw", they are still selling basically all the phones they can make.
Fact: Even with no case, it takes almost no thought what so ever to avoid this area on the phone.
Fact: It doesn't effect all users in all areas the same, in fact some people can not even get the phone to drop bars no matter where they are.
What does that all lead me to believe? That people are still very happy with their phones and the people that aren't should take their phone back for a refund and move on with their lives and stop trying to make it out to be like everyones got this massive problem with the phone that makes it useless. Largely, most everyone clearly moved on about 10 seconds after Apples last statement on it. Try it out, you might find yourself happier when you drop it.
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| Data provided by who? That's right, the same company that says there is not a problem. I have no issues with what people want/do not want from their phone. You are ok with giving companies a pass with an obvious issue, I am not. No skin off my back but obviously you are very passionate about standing up for Apple by following my posts and commenting on them. | |
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Johnson City, TN | said by ptrowski:Data provided by who? That's right, the same company that says there is not a problem. I have no issues with what people want/do not want from their phone. You are ok with giving companies a pass with an obvious issue, I am not. No skin off my back but obviously you are very passionate about standing up for Apple by following my posts and commenting on them. Data provided by Apple and ATT, who else would be able to provide such data? You? Hahaha, right.
I have spent far more time in my life bashing Apple than defending it. Just because you cant bother yourself to actually look into that doesn't make you informed.
On this issue I care about one thing, the facts. You only seem to care about you and cherry picking things to suit your argument which thus far is "If users actually didn't want to use a case and put their finger on a tiny spot they may have issue". Do you understand how stupid that sounds in the context that most people DO WANT to use a case, and in situations where they decided not to, they are SMART ENOUGH, to avoid a tiny spot on the phone.
This goes back to the pot hole theory. I bet you avoid those. You pay for the roads though, so are you crying to the city about them? Do you troll yourself and drive right at pot holes hoping you dont pop a tire? Or do you with almost no thought, see it, and avoid it. I bet you do.... and that actually takes MORE work than avoiding a spot on a phone you hold for hours a day probably. Its not hard to get familiar with it. You are smarter than that I would assume, or again maybe I am giving to much credit. You are after all still crying about a issue that for the VAST MAJORITY is a dead issue and has been for weeks.
I dont follow your posts, I follow topics. Nice little star at the top shows me what topics i've been involved in that have new posts. Do you need instructions on how this forum works as well as a big ole map of where not to touch a iPhone.... haha.
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