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Re: Complaining about work... said by Omega:It still upsets me that with so many unemployed, these union employees were complaining about paid overtime. Yea, I'm sure they weren't complaining about their paychecks. A mandatory 70 hours is too much, I'm happy to go the extra mile during crunch time, but that much work can start to affect your health. Of course, I'm sure the union would have flipped out had they offered to bring in some temporary non-union help instead of making everyone work overtime, but that's how that goes. |
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Cheyenne, WY | said by vpoko:said by Omega:It still upsets me that with so many unemployed, these union employees were complaining about paid overtime. Yea, I'm sure they weren't complaining about their paychecks. A mandatory 70 hours is too much, I'm happy to go the extra mile during crunch time, but that much work can start to affect your health. Of course, I'm sure the union would have flipped out had they offered to bring in some temporary non-union help instead of making everyone work overtime, but that's how that goes. Between Sept 11 and Sept 18 I am going to work 104 hours. Between September 19 and 25 I am going to be working 65 hours. No overtime. I think those workers can deal with 70 hour weeks @ time and a half.
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vpokoPremium
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Boston, MA | said by Omega:Between Sept 11 and Sept 18 I am going to work 104 hours. Between September 19 and 25 I am going to be working 65 hours. No overtime. Sucks to be you, I wouldn't do it. Maybe for a week in an extraordinary situation, but do that for a while and your kids won't recognize you (assuming you have kids). |
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Wow 105 hours working outside doing technical labor. That's rough. It's rough working more than 60 hours a week outside for over 3 years straight. I don't know how you can handle 105 hours a week for several years. |
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and you'd be one of those people unemployed. It would be your fault that you lost your job then and not the company's. Be glad that they actually want you to work instead of outsourcing the jobs.
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2 edits | said by hottboiinnc:and you'd be one of those people unemployed. It would be your fault that you lost your job then and not the company's. Be glad that they actually want you to work instead of outsourcing the jobs. If the company making me work 70 hours was the last company on Earth, then maybe I'd have no choice. But obviously there are many people, including myself, who are gainfully employed and do get to usually work a 40 hour week (actually, our company's work week is 37.5 hours, not to rub it in).
No doubt the labor market is better for businesses than for workers right now, but these things go in cycles and companies who treat their employees like crap will eventually have to settle for crappy employees. |
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Re: Complaining about work... said by hottboiinnc:and you'd be one of those people unemployed. It would be your fault that you lost your job then and not the company's. Be glad that they actually want you to work instead of outsourcing the jobs. Sounds like something a shitty manager would say. I've know a lot of them.
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in many states you're not considered full time then. So i hope you know that. that .5hours can mean a lot when it comes down to lay offs or closings you could be screwed in the end and the companies know that.
and as far as the 70hrs youd do what you're told or be without a job trying to find another one. that would be your choice but good luck trying to collect unemployment over that one. you'd get laughed at due to its a job that you left for no reason.
and they settle for crap employees that try and take advantage of the company by demanding shitty crap like how long their going to work- but thats a typical union boy for ya.
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and that must come from an employee who does what he wants and then will bitch in the end without a job.
Id toss ya out the door. |
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Eek2121Lovin Verizon FIOS
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Newton, NJ | reply to hottboiinnc
actually, IIRC the federal minimum full time standard is 32 hours. |
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 quetwoThat VoIP GuyPremium
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East Lansing, MI | reply to Omega
Congratulations. Now try doing that for 16 straight weeks. Then tell us how you feel.
I for one have mandatory over-time certain times of they year, but they are usually for short spurts (two or three weeks), and then things slow down enough to at least enjoy life. |
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said by Eek2121:actually, IIRC the federal minimum full time standard is 32 hours. That is a bunch of crap. I work 40 hours a week and am considered part-time. I am unable to work over 40 hours a week and if I were to work 12 hours one day I have to take off 4 hours the next day. There are no benefits and no paid vacation or holidays since I am part-time. |
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| This is a matter generally determined by an employer. Many people mistakenly believe that full-time employment consists of 40 hours per week. However, the federal Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not define full-time employment or part-time employment. The FLSA does require, however, that overtime pay be paid after 40 hours of work in a workweek. This may be the reason many employers cap full-time employment at 40 hours per week. |
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said by hottboiinnc:in many states you're not considered full time then. So i hope you know that. that .5hours can mean a lot when it comes down to lay offs or closings you could be screwed in the end and the companies know that.
Thank you for your concern, but my employer considers me full-time despite our 37.5 work week, and as kdwycha pointed out, there is no government standard for what's considered full time. In any case, my point is that, despite what some people think, the job situation is not so dire that employees have to settle for whatever crap an employer wants to force on them. Good workers have options, even now. |
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| to wal mart 34 hours is full time. Of course over 40 is overtime.
I'm not getting into insurance coverage, all I will say is I pay alot and get less and less every year.
ok 90 every two weeks, 250 credit , 500 deductible, and next 2000 80/20 then they pay 100%.
The 500 is killing me, 1 doctor want $100, another wants $380 when only pulling in $520 every two weeks that stinks and I had to drop paying into 401k and stock to get 520. |
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| said by mikedz4:The 500 is killing me, 1 doctor want $100, another wants $380 when only pulling in $520 every two weeks that stinks and I had to drop paying into 401k and stock to get 520. That's why I asked "pnh" if his argument that "someone will always work harder for less" (loose quotes) meant he opposes minimum wage laws.
The result of that kind of race to the bottom is what you describe: employers deriving the benefit from a non-living wage, shifting the costs of living to society. In my area, it's common for Walmart employees to be on Medicaid. Basically working and collecting welfare, which contributes to Walmart's low prices (subsidized by society).
I don't know if any firm lines can be drawn. But, we have a pretty long history of drawing lines. Of saying it's *not* ok to expect everything from an employee just because there's always someone else willing to do more for less (at least just to get their foot in the door).
I think we've all worked with people who have bad attitudes and give their labor grudgingly. But, by the same token, there are executives who will use good-faith contributions for their own benefit. That's reflected in what I mentioned about Walmart. And, the simple fact that CEO pay has risen from 33 times the average worker's in 1977 to 300 times the average worker in the year 2000.
No doubt there are malingering workers. But, increasing one's salary 100 fold is not a great example of how workers ought to be thankful and keep giving more. It's hard to feel those workers would be taking anything unreasonable by expecting a little more from their jobs in the face of CEO pay increasing 100 fold. |
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Somehow I think you're leaving out key details.
By just saying "No overtime" you're not really saying what's in it for you, or what the payoff is. So it's irrelevant, actually.
Anyway, try doing it for 2 months straight and see how that works....
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No, no, just ask all these far-right types, they should in fact be donating their OT back to the company for being so wonderful even giving them a job. Of course they should work until their health fails, (and then be summarily fired) and their wives leave them, and their kids don't know them. Why, this is what they call... family values.
Work like a slave and be treated as badly.
Damn these people are so far off the rails it's not even funny.
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1 edit | said by KrK:No, no, just ask all these far-right types, they should in fact be donating their OT back to the company for being so wonderful even giving them a job. I can see their position. I recently worked at a polling place for our primary election. (I did it as a public service because the county had trouble finding workers.). About 18 hours (with 15 hours in one day) for $100.
Anyway, there was another guy working who was doing it just for the $100. He'd been unemployed for a long time. Obsessed with how long it would take to get the $100. And then, around noon, he asks me "do you know how long we get off for lunch? They're required by law to give us breaks and one hour for lunch."
I thought I could see why he couldn't find a job, with that kind of attitude.
16 other poll workers were taking quick 3-5 minute breaks here and there. Pausing for a bite to eat when the traffic slowed down. And he wants fixed, rigid 15-minute breaks, and a one-hour lunch. (When he's working for less than minimum wage, doing what most consider to be a public service, with heavy doses of "doing your patriotic duty.").
I'm the kind of person who would try to give good value for my pay. I'd be willing to work overtime for free. Especially if I worked a temporary job after months of not working. (I'd be glad to have something to do!).
But, there's no doubt executives have taken advantage of that kind of cheerful enthusiasm. All we have to do is consider how CEO pay went from 33 times the average worker's in 1977 to 300 times the average worker's in the year 2000.
Stuff like that is why we have laws requiring fixed lunch periods. Because a few people ruin it for everyone else. We've become a nation where CEOs shamelessly increase their pay while expecting everyone else to do more for less. |
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