 SLDPremium
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San Francisco, CA | reply to WA 425
Re: Complaining about work... Yep, this is what happens when businesses get drunk on cheap labor markets, importing B-1 visa workers or they have to compete against other businesses that do so.
The race to the bottom is in full swing! |
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| said by SLD:Yep, this is what happens when businesses get drunk on cheap labor markets, importing B-1 visa workers or they have to compete against other businesses that do so. Is really importing B-1 visa workers cheaper than hiring a us citizen or permanent resident? I would think with crazy fees for visa petition and application fees, they would actually stay away from that.
If they look for a cheap labor they'll just dump work overseas to india. |
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| said by chgo_man99:said by SLD:Yep, this is what happens when businesses get drunk on cheap labor markets, importing B-1 visa workers or they have to compete against other businesses that do so. Is really importing B-1 visa workers cheaper than hiring a us citizen or permanent resident? I would think with crazy fees for visa petition and application fees, they would actually stay away from that. It's definitely cheaper. H1B and L1B visa workers will work for less, and not complain. They can't just find another job. Their visa is tied to the sponsoring employer. The worker depends on the employer to sponsor their Adjustment of Status (AoS) to Permanent Resident (green card). That's what leads to the worker competing on a level playing field (able to change employers and work for the "highest bidder").
A friend of mine was openly told by an interviewer that the interview was just going through the motions to meet the requirements to sponsor an H1B. The interviewer wasn't happy about the situation either, and was just doing what he was told to do. But, he didn't hide it.
I believe most interviewers do hide it.
Employers will say H1Bs are highly educated, innovative leaders, etc. That may be true for some. But, the majority I've worked with just learned how to study and pass tests. They didn't learn how to be independent, creative, risk-taking. They needed someone to tell them the steps to follow. Once they had that, they were very talented at following those steps, documenting those steps, and asking for more steps. |
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| said by user=amigo_boy :
But, the majority I've worked with just learned how to study and pass tests. They didn't learn how to be independent, creative, risk-taking. They needed someone to tell them the steps to follow. The country I come from (Poland) emphasized this kind of logic, education nearly everywhere. And its even worse than you might think.
Now I am glad I am here in States, but I still got to cope with its effect, especially in my family. |
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| said by chgo_man99:The country I come from (Poland) emphasized this kind of logic, education nearly everywhere. And its even worse than you might think. I think we're headed to the same thing. Education has become a big business. Mostly due to changes in bankruptcy laws which make student debt non-dischargable in bankruptcy.
This created a condition called "moral hazard." The lenders and educators have no risk. If they can get students to sign on the dotted line, the school has the money. The lender has the fees. And the student owns all the downside risk of an ineffective education. If they don't earn what they were led to believe, they can't start over by filing bankruptcy. They will pay those loans back for the rest of their life, through garnishment of tax refunds and even social security payments in old age.
The result has been an explosive growth in private education. Schools using predatory techniques similar to credit card companies when they received greater protection against personal bankruptcy.
I've met people who went to "Collins College" (or, whatever) and they're just as stupid as they were when they graduated from high school (and probably shouldn't have been allowed to pass). They only difference is, they're out $20k for an education in something like "Pharmacy Technician" which pays about $10 an hour. And, they can't get a job because they're still stupid.
This Frontline piece titled College, Inc. is a good presentation of what's happened.
IMO, a college diploma is becoming a de facto union card. Just a piece of paper you have to have to stay out of the low-paying minimum wage sector. There's no middle-ground. Minimum wage or pay the "protection money" to the newly-privatized education industry to get the credentials necessary for a crap job like Pharmacy Technician.
It's a self-fulfilling condition. As more people pay the protection money, the more credible the credentials become. Even if they're not accredited or transferable to a real degree. |
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2 edits | I just graduated college with student loan in grace period and no job yet. I gained diploma but I got to still study for some certifications to land job in sector I am looking for (network engineering). Or might have to start looking elsewhere which is not my dream job but there might be more entry level jobs in this field and pay more (like software engineering). Its actually little my fault because I started with with more comprehensive general degree (IT) and did not jump to specialized.
Whats worse, the public colleges in my area (Chicago) that charge less are not good and have classrooms overcrowded. I could have gone to 2 year community college, but generous 1 time big grant on my freshmen year lured me straight to 4-year college which i did not get in next year...
P.S Student with poor parents, who relied on student "aid" federal and state grants (not big), scholarships (not big) and both federal and private student loans. I went to private catholic university (DePaul). |
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