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Re: Price goes up, demand will drop said by amigo_boy:Which makes it not like just a "market" of competing services. It's not like someone can grow a competing business organically. For example, competing with Target by opening a web-based business from their home, then a small retail front at their local strip mall, then..... There is no such organic entry into entertainment/broadband delivery. I can't string a line to a dozen of my neighbors, and grow from there. You could do exactly what you newly claim you couldn't. Your original premise is that you couldn't trench a line across the public ROW to your neighbor. I agreed to that single case (and clarified (proving of course that you either didn't read what I wrote or fail at reading comprehension) because it wouldn't be a public utility. BUT, and here is the key point if you are going to act like a public utility and offer service to everyone you can and provide service to more than a single secondary building you can get the permits to install in the ROW quite easily. Growing a business "organically" (what a stupid term BTW) is actually how businesses start and there is no ROW restriction that says small businesses are excluded. Do you realize how stupid it is to argue that small businesses can't use the public ROW? You might as well argue that minority or women owned businesses aren't allowed to use the ROW either.
There are tens of thousands of small business offering communication services using cables in the ROW.
said by amigo_boy:Except for that small exception, it's almost like a thriving, "free" market. Ignore the reality, keep making your failed argument, continuously alter your line of argument, use completely different examples and apply the same result to each, and setup a few more strawmen.
said by amigo_boy:I'm going to call my city tomorrow and find out how someone can become a "public Utility." I've got a feeling that they'll say that since there's already a cable service occupying public easements and rights of way, it wouldn't serve the "public good" to use that finite space for another. Call your city, those minimum wage employee manning the phones aren't going to know anything about it, but feel free to post back here about how they didn't know anything about it, or even better if like you they speculate about it without knowledge. The definition of what make a company a public utility is going to be defined in your states' code. That very simple fact escapes you.
The ROW is NOT EVER GOING TO BE USED UP. You don't know anything about infrastructure or Right-of-way laws in your state or anywhere else, if you truly want to educate yourself talk to a lawyer or an infrastructure based civil engineering consultant. They can educate you on your ignorance of right-of-way law and infrastructure based businesses.
said by amigo_boy:And, certainly an organically driven business (me serving a dozen neighbors) wouldn't. Yes, it would. But you would have to prove you actually know what you are doing and that would be a challenge. I'd suggest again that if you are actually considering such a move that you hire a civil engineering consultant to actually plan your infrastructure and a lawyer to set up your business because you clearly don't understand either.
The stakes are quite high in the infrastructure business, most states will require a professional engineers seal on any construction plans so there is a chain of liability and a minimum level of assurance that multiple people aren't going to be killed or millions of dollars of infrastructure ruined by some Fool installing a telecom cable to his neighbors.
said by amigo_boy:I'll let you know what I find out. You do that, but I don't actually expect you will do so. Your goal here isn't to actually learn anything or educate yourself. You will continue your ignorant speculation about ROW law unabated though, that I'm sure of. The funniest part is were what you were saying actually true, it would be trivial to prove it. Where's the proof? | | |
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| said by rahvin112: BUT, and here is the key point if you are going to act like a public utility and offer service to everyone you can and provide service to more than a single secondary building you can get the permits to install in the ROW quite easily. That's not what I was told. I called two city offices and was told a cable service wouldn't be considered a desirable use of the public's property (in the "public's interest," as you termed it) because the public is already served by a cable provider.
The problem with your reasoning is, even if I could get access to the public property (like the incumbents did), it's a chicken-egg thing. I can't serve "everyone" without starting with "someone."
That is a significant barrier to the competition which you insist exists. (And, according to my city, even if I wanted to serve everyone, they would claim that, since there already is a cable service serving everyone, mine wouldn't be a use of finite public resources for a purpose that is in "the public's interest," as you put it.).
said by rahvin112:Growing a business "organically" (what a stupid term BTW) (Chuckle.).
Stupid because it doesn't support your argument? Even though it is how the majority of business in the US starts? Small? Instead of "poof! dozens of franchises across the city."
said by rahvin112:there is no ROW restriction that says small businesses are excluded. That's exactly contrary to what you said earlier, when I suggested that I'd like to trench across the street to my first 10 customers. You said that can't be done. A person has to be prepared to trench the entire city.
But, as I already noted, my city says either is a no-go.
said by rahvin112:There are tens of thousands of small business offering communication services using cables in the ROW. I guarantee you there are not tens of thousands of cables in the ground in my area. There is exactly 1. From what I can gather, there will only be 1 in the foreseeable future. Largely due to the public's right of way not being available for widespread use.
said by rahvin112:said by amigo_boy:I'll let you know what I find out. You do that, but I don't actually expect you will do so. Your goal here isn't to actually learn anything or educate yourself. You will continue your ignorant speculation about ROW law unabated though, that I'm sure of. The funniest part is were what you were saying actually true, it would be trivial to prove it. Where's the proof? Or, I'll get the education you don't want me to have? | |
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