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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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So?

Why rag on AT&T or any other company that pays protection money to Congress? Elected officials, if they really wanted to, could solve this problem by not accepting such bribes.
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bbrkdub

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Unless they're made an offer they can't refuse.
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trekboy

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Benton, PA

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reply to pnh102
Personally, I believe that only individuals should be able to donate to political campaigns, and only up to a certain amount (say $5,000 per year).

It would make politics in America so much more balanced, and lower the cost of entry for 3rd and 4th party candidates.
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sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

Why rag on AT&T or any other company that pays protection money to Congress? Elected officials, if they really wanted to, could solve this problem by not accepting such bribes.
Subsequently losing the next election due to a lack of funds.


thender
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reply to pnh102
I know I don't have any say in how a company uses its profits.

I pay a high phone bill. I like to at least be able to pretend it goes to things that matter.

I don't want my money going to 45 million in campaign contributions. I want it going to a network that works in New York City.
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FFH
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reply to trekboy
said by trekboy:

Personally, I believe that only individuals should be able to donate to political campaigns, and only up to a certain amount (say $5,000 per year).
Is that $5,000 total to all campaigns in 1 yr. Or is it $5,000 per candidate. If it is per candidate, then nothing changes. For example, George Soros has given close to $1M over 10 yrs, spread over dozens of congress critters. He is buying Congress 1 congressman at a time. If he can give $5,000 to each congress critter nothing has changed, especially when all his relatives can do the same thing.


C_
Kill The Socialists
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reply to thender
said by thender:

I know I don't have any say in how a company uses its profits.

I pay a high phone bill. I like to at least be able to pretend it goes to things that matter.

I don't want my money going to 45 million in campaign contributions. I want it going to a network that works in New York City.
as an AT&T shareholder, I could give two shits what you want. all that matters is maximizing my stock value
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KrK
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reply to trekboy
BINGO.

Corporations should not be treated like individuals and have the same rights individuals have to purchase "representation" from Government via contributions to political campaigns and committees. If they aren't considered a "Person" then the silly free speech arguments would be moot.

The people who make up the company are citizens, but NOT the company itself!
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini


KrK
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reply to C_
said by C_:

as an AT&T shareholder, I could give two shits what you want. all that matters is maximizing my stock value
And this is why the USA is circling the drain. Period. This exact attitude.
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thender
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Yeah people like C_ See Profile are a drain on society.

old_wiz_60

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reply to pnh102
Elected officials will stop accepting bribes at about the same time as (take your pick):
--lasting peace in the Middle East.
--A gay Pope is elected.
--Muslims, Christians, and Jews live together in harmony.
--Aliens land in any city on earth.
--There are no more hungry people on earth.
etc.

Bribes are simply a part of politics. There is no way to avoid it. There will always be a way around any election laws any government can pass.


FFH
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said by old_wiz_60:

Elected officials will stop accepting bribes at about the same time as (take your pick):
--A gay Pope is elected.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Julius_III


pnh102
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reply to old_wiz_60
said by old_wiz_60:

Bribes are simply a part of politics. There is no way to avoid it. There will always be a way around any election laws any government can pass.
True, but I am just pointing out that elected officials' behavior, and not the behavior of these companies is the reason that bribes take place.
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Thespis
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reply to thender
Why would you consider someone who invests a drain on society?
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footballdude
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said by Thespis:

Why would you consider someone who invests a drain on society?
People that want something for nothing are inherently hostile towards people that assume risk.

The guy you quoted was probably being sarcastic, though.
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footballdude
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reply to FFH
said by FFH:

If he can give $5,000 to each congress critter nothing has changed, especially when all his relatives can do the same thing.
Or a bunch of monks. Just ask Al "There is no controlling legal authority" Gore.
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Random Bad Guy - In what capacity?
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reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

Why rag on AT&T or any other company that pays protection money to Congress? Elected officials, if they really wanted to, could solve this problem by not accepting such bribes.
True, they could take the high road and refuse the contribution. But in the current political climate money wins elections. The more money you have the more airtime, advertising and exposure you get, the more likely you are to win the race.

It's partially the public's fault. Apathy is at an all time high. No one bothers actually researching a candidate's positions, his voting record. All we hear (if anything) is his campaign slogan on radio and TV. When we get to the polls it's usually a game of name recognition (either the candidate's or their party's). We are suckers for a candidate's "brand", his public persona created by his P.R. handlers, but rarely take the time to explore what he has done in the past.

I say ban all campaign contributions (money, trips, services). Each candidate would receive a set amount of money for a given race from the branch of government the election is for (mayor is paid for by the city, governer by the state, etc...). Keep everyone on an equal footing from a financial standpoint and let there ideas (or, more likely, rhetoric) speak for themselves.


thender
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reply to footballdude
I just like poking fun at my wannabe Gordon Gekko IRC friend C_ See Profile every now and then.


C_
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reply to thender
said by thender:

Yeah people like C_ See Profile are a drain on society.
how's that charter stock treating you?
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