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Re: [Extreme Plus] Utorrent Settings and Rogers While it may have been Rogers policy to set "the maximum upload speed for P2P file sharing traffic is 80 kbps at all times", the fact of the matter is that until recently they weren't actually doing that. Only certain P2P flows were being rate limited; lots of P2P flows weren't. It appears that Rogers has recently made changes to "fix" this.
There are two problems with this:
1) The way Roger did this is clearly broken as not only upstream P2P traffic is getting rate limited. Right now it appears that if Rogers 'network management' system decides you're running P2P software all (or almost all) upsteam encrypted flows other than HTTPS are being collectively rate limited to 80 kbps. So games, SCP traffic on non-standard ports, etc. are all going to be negatively impacted.
2) If all you have is 80 Kbps of upload bandwidth for P2P traffic your download speeds are going to slow regardless of how much download bandwidth you have available. 80 kbps, is 10 KB/s. Depending on how many swarms you're connected to, and the number of peers you're trying to share with, you're likely overloading that 80 Kbps 'pipe' (more then one reasonably busy torrent would be enough to do it). As soon as that 80 Kbps pipe is flooded, there's no bandwidth available for the P2P network overhead (ex: the messages that tell the peers you're downloading from to send you the next chunk). By heavily throttling P2P uploads, they have effectively throttled all P2P downloads. |
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Ottawa, ON | I'm likely going to switch to DSL, i can apparently get Fibe 16Mbit and our office has 6Mbit DSL and I'm able to saturate it with torrents and not actually kill the rest of my network, it's too bad really, the 25Mbit cable was nice. |
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Just switch to a seedbox all ur troubles will go away
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| I already have a seedbox, but all my troubles don't go away. When a game decides to update itself and download a new 1-2GB patch (World of Warcraft), it will kill the connection. Who knows also how far Rogers will take this down the road and what other future protocols will kill your cable. |
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the rogers throttling policy page indicates that they still only throttle downstream here:
»www.rogers.com/web/content/netwo···nagement
i believe some new CRTC rules also forces ISPs to indicate their their throttling policy and provide 30 days notice to customers before making any changes. clearly something has happened behind the scenes here. |
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| I think this is what you are referring to, but I'm too lazy to read through it all:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2009/2009-657.htm
And here's the Globe and Mail article that came out the same day (easier read):
»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1332188/ |
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| 61.
Clear and prominent disclosure of technical ITMPs on the websites of primary ISPs must be made a minimum of 30 days in advance of a new technical ITMP being implemented or an existing one being modified. With respect to housekeeping changes or changes that result in a less restrictive technical ITMP (as described below in paragraph 87), no minimum time period for advance disclosure is required, so long as disclosure is made upon implementation. |
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| The following page talks about how to make a complaint:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/t1003.htm
It points to the CCTS website where it seems fairly trivial to submit a complaint. I've never tried it, and have no idea how effective it would be:
»www.ccts-cprst.ca/en/ |
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Can someone explain to me how having a seedbox makes all your troubles go away ? It doesn't make sense to me, how do you download off a seedbox ? |
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| said by afterburn999:Can someone explain to me how having a seedbox makes all your troubles go away ? It doesn't make sense to me, how do you download off a seedbox ? well you would download with FTP or simply HTTP off your seedbox which isn't throttled by Rogers currently and it would come in at full line speed. |
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| Http has still been troublesome though. I've had single files downloading (mkv, 1gb each) stall many times off many different sites.
Not sure about FTP.. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
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Ottawa, ON | there isn't any trouble with direct HTTP or FTP as long as you aren't currently doing any P2P which would then affect it and as long as the server you are grabbing it from has the bandwidth. |
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| Can anyone recommend a good seedbox provider ? I've been using »www.superseedbox.com/seedbox.html for some time now and i've been pretty happy with it so far but the 35 GB is kind of restricting sometimes. |
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I'm definitely also having problems with IRC. I've been trying to download from XDCC bots and the transfer will stop randomly. |
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Here is a Canadian Seedbox......
Afterburn999 You say you have been using a seedbox for some time now, but your asking how to download from your seedbox???
»gamestuff.ca/page.html?id=21 |
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| said by New 2 this :Here is a Canadian Seedbox...... Afterburn999 You say you have been using a seedbox for some time now, but your asking how to download from your seedbox??? » gamestuff.ca/page.html?id=21 Yea i've been using a seedbox for a while but only to improve to upload ratio on my torrent site. I never actually needed it to download torrents because i was getting full speed. I knew about FTP but i didn't know how to use HTTP on my seedbox. |
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Why does it happen ??? Started about a week ago.
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rezoon
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Toronto, ON | reply to Vindari
Same crap happened here in Leaside. Throttled torrents down to 250k about a week ago. As of yesterday they are down to a piddly 100k. I hate it when Rogers feels the need to do this to us! |
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It stays at 400KB/s plus?? Count yourself lucky.
My before and after are in this post:
»Re: [ Express] Recent Massive Torrent throttling in Ottawa? |
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1 edit | please contact @RogersKeith on twitter and let him know about this, he's looking it into and i'm sure then more that complain directly will help. he's head of their social media group there.
right now i'm trying to gather some real evidence, someone had previously mentioned seeing RST packets which indicates sandvine. i know how to capture RST packets with tcpdump, but i was going to run the following test and sniff both ends, let me know if it would be effective:
seed a private torrent my own servers which have 100Mbit/sec upstream and which I can download directly using HTTP/FTP/SFTP/ etc at full cable speed (25Mbit/sec) and record the speed as well as run tcpdump on both sides and look for RST packets and record, then do the same test again but with a direct HTTP download.
i would also record my screen showing the effects it's causing on other apps that rely on real-time bandwidth (games, skype, etc) causing insane latency and even disconnects. |
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