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Duramax08
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Cool

way to hit that 5 gig cap faster (for the heavy users).

Gbcue
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Re: Cool

At least there's no overages like with the "balding, middle aged man" network.
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ptrowski
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Re: Cool

So what good is dial-up speeds on that fancy new phone?

Gbcue
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Re: Cool

said by ptrowski:

So what good is dial-up speeds on that fancy new phone?
I don't know about you but I'm hitting 8/1.5.
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Re: Cool

Beyond your 5GB cap?

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Re: Cool

said by ptrowski:

Beyond your 5GB cap?
Never even gotten close to it.
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Re: Cool

Well then you would not get throttled back to the dial up speeds then.

Gbcue
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Re: Cool

said by ptrowski:

Well then you would not get throttled back to the dial up speeds then.
Still, I'd rather have DU speeds than pay $$$ for data overages...
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Re: Cool

Not me. At that point the whole "4G" sell goes right out the window.

Duramax08
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Re: Cool

said by ptrowski:

Not me. At that point the whole "4G" sell goes right out the window.
Bingo.

ztmike
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said by ptrowski:

Not me. At that point the whole "4G" sell goes right out the window.
Every wireless carrier has a cap, hidden or not, and Verizon has one to they just don't disclose it.

tiger72
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said by ptrowski:

Not me. At that point the whole "4G" sell goes right out the window.
Man, you must really travel a lot.

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Re: Cool

Why, because being throttled to dialup speeds on the phone that is supposedly 4G is silly?

tiger72
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Re: Cool

said by ptrowski:

Why, because being throttled to dialup speeds on the phone that is supposedly 4G is silly?
No, because you apparently hit your cap, AND would prefer to get charged $1/MB than be speed capped.

So either your concerns are merely academic, or you travel a LOT.
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en102
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I don't have a 5GB cap on my iPhone.

ptrowski
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Re: Cool

said by en102:

I don't have a 5GB cap on my iPhone.
Me neither.

ztmike
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said by en102:

I don't have a 5GB cap on my iPhone.
Yea gee..that grandfathered plan sure does help, what about all those new users that HAVE to buy into the 2GB/month cap with $10 1GB overages? Can you say RIPOFF?

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Re: Cool

Ripoff. I won't deny that as almost EVERY data plan from a carrier is a ripoff.

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Re: Cool

said by ptrowski:

Ripoff. I won't deny that as almost EVERY data plan from a carrier is a ripoff.
At&t takes the prize for it to.

maartena
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Yeah but how many "4G" phones are sharing that bandwidth? I bet 98% of T-Mobile customers have a phone that can't even talk to this "4G" network. Wait till the market share of those phones have increased to 20% in a year or so
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Re: Cool

At that point TMo will have 42 Mbps HSPA+ deployed, so speeds will be at last what they are now.

tiger72
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said by maartena:

Yeah but how many "4G" phones are sharing that bandwidth? I bet 98% of T-Mobile customers have a phone that can't even talk to this "4G" network. Wait till the market share of those phones have increased to 20% in a year or so
considering most of their phones are 3g (UMTS) capable, your made up statistic is utterly false.
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Re: Cool

said by tiger72:

said by maartena:

Yeah but how many "4G" phones are sharing that bandwidth? I bet 98% of T-Mobile customers have a phone that can't even talk to this "4G" network. Wait till the market share of those phones have increased to 20% in a year or so
considering most of their phones are 3g (UMTS) capable, your made up statistic is utterly false.
The majority of their customer's still only use the EDGE network though by choice or coverage though.
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tiger72
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Re: Cool

said by iLive4Fusion:

said by tiger72:

said by maartena:

Yeah but how many "4G" phones are sharing that bandwidth? I bet 98% of T-Mobile customers have a phone that can't even talk to this "4G" network. Wait till the market share of those phones have increased to 20% in a year or so
considering most of their phones are 3g (UMTS) capable, your made up statistic is utterly false.
The majority of their customer's still only use the EDGE network though by choice or coverage though.
Again, you base this on what? A majority of their customers live in cities (ie 500,000+ people). A VAST majority. And last I checked, they have 3g in just about every city.
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Most tmobile 3g phones do take advantage of the "4g" network, sorta. Until now, tmo 3g phones had download speeds ranging from 500kbps down to 2000 kbps. With these upgrades, I can and do reach 7000/1500 kbps. And don't even tell me about throttling. My tmobile phone can boot ubuntu linux, win mobile, and many different variations of android. All 3 on my phone. You tell me a verizon, att, spriny, uscc phone that can do that.
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ArrayList
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i have no cap on t-mobile
fiberguy
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Re: Cool

said by ArrayList:

i have no cap on t-mobile
Yes you do.

cdru
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Re: Cool

said by fiberguy:

said by ArrayList:

i have no cap on t-mobile
Yes you do.
It all depends on how "cap" is defined.
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Re: Cool

I'd rather take slowed down dial up speeds instead of being charged $10/1GB overage any day.

ArrayList
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Re: Cool

same here. plus 5GB is a lot of data for a mobile device. I don't hit 1gb a month as it is so wtf ever
fiberguy
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Re: Cool

said by ArrayList:

same here. plus 5GB is a lot of data for a mobile device. I don't hit 1gb a month as it is so wtf ever
...and I'll agree with you on this. Still, I don't even agree with a 5gb cap throttling speeds either - all the time. I DO think that when people hit what is considered their "cap" that the system would put you first in line to slow ya down (the user that is) and let those that haven't gotten their 'fair use' (as they call it) out of their service.

But, if the service can handle a user, even after 5gb per month, the system should let the MBs flow.

I look at it as a least-case scenario. It's NOT about consumption base unless it's sold as such. If ALL users were using, say, 50mb in a month, but 1 user of the entire base used 5gb, why slow them down at all? Now, this will never be the case, but it should be modeled this way if they're being honest.

It can't be sold as unlimited, even soft-capped, if it's about "network management" because "network management" tools would be smart enough to let even a heavy user through when the network could handle it. Besides, what if that "heavy user" is using the net ALWAYS between 12 midnight and 5am? .. when no one is really using it...?

So yea.. to throttle people even at 5gbs IS setting a "limit".. no matter how it's sliced. Still, however, I DO see a difference in tethering and mobile device use and I believe that carriers NEED to, right now at least, control use based on the device connected. Tethering is still where I'm SURE the mobile internet carriers are no where NEAR ready to handle a flood of users.
fiberguy
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said by cdru:

said by fiberguy:

said by ArrayList:

i have no cap on t-mobile
Yes you do.
It all depends on how "cap" is defined.
EXACTLY! .. which was my point.

ArrayList
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read my contract. no mention of this Download quota or soft cap you folks ever talk about.

heres what i understand your "soft cap" to be.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_ ··· ad_quota
fiberguy
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Re: Cool

Your "contract"...? Which one? The one you signed the say you signed up? ... or the one that's been most likely updated 20 million times since you got service?

I'll make it easier for you anyway... doesn't matter. There could be NO mention of a cap at all, anywhere, and you'd still have a cap. T-Mo will just cap the service.. it will take someone with more money than them to bring it up in a legal matter.. or a class action.. something will get done, they'll pay out some money (far less than what they made) .. they'll then change the rules, make it clear-er for you, and boom.. you have a cap, in writing.

Make sense now?

and yes, tmo throttles at 5gb.. i do believe that someone here even posted the link to the text before here on BBR.