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kim
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[request] Social Networking Forum

I think a Social Networking Forum would be a great addition to this site. We could be a part of helping to form and educate how people use and view the rapidly growing animal we call Social Networking. In turn it also has the added ability to draw new members.

Social Networking hasn't been around that long but networking certainly has. Many professions rely on networking to build their customer base. Real Estate, Finance and Insurance to name a few. The number of online Social Networking sites are growing. They're being used professionally and also for purely non-professional reasons. The sites such as LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook and blogs (and we can even include forums in that list) are only growing. It's it's surely not going away.

Important information about Social Networking etiquette, security, professionalism (or no-professionalism as in the case of the blog Shit My Dad Says) are topics many turn for help with. Basic questions about Facebook security may be met with "don't use Facebook it's evil" if posted in the security forum. Where does that leave the user with valid questions? We have the ability to set the bar here as well. Imagine, we can help raise the standard.

Age becomes an issue in this debate. 20 year olds use Social Networking sites far differently than a middle aged real estate agent would. A 40 year olds skill level on a computer is likely dramatically less than a 20 year old that had computers all through their education. Most members of this site over 40 are probably exceptions to this rule. I'm still fascinated by people, in this day and age that are unsure of how to upload their pic to a profile. They are the majority, not the exception. BBR is such a helpful community and offers a wealth of techie information. I'm wondering if by stretching our definition a bit to include Social Networking if we wouldn't draw an even bigger audience to this site. A bigger audience that needs all the information and expertise this site offers.

I think that this site has been built on the foundation of helping others and disseminating good quality information. A Social Networking Forum could have a lot of potential to help set the standard for Social Networking going forward and also for BBR as a site.
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Re: [new forum] Social Networking Forum

Do you need a separate forum for that? If you are discussing a security issue, go to the security forum. If you need help, go to the general question (or whatever it is called this week). If you have a complaint: rants and raves. And so on and so on.

I'm neutral, but if you can try to convince me that I'm wrong.
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JLevinworth

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I can get behind this even though I don't currently social network (and nothing against it or anyone, just no real life time for it now, other than occasional reading), but I do get why people do and enjoy it.

Even for people who don't, there is a value here still for staying up on the latest issues and trends surrounding it since it's a huge part of our society.

Through the many years at DSLR, traditionally (for the most part) interest/amount of posts seemed to dictate (or should I say, sway justin See Profile) the warranting of opening a new forum category. I did a search here on just Twitter and Facebook, and each had 6K and 14K hits on discussions here respectfully. There is interest!

I think you presented a well thought out argument, kim See Profile. Although, you almost lost me on, if you don't mind me being blunt, the ageist sounding points made paragraph 4. On the upside, you got me humming "Parents Olds just don't understand." haha..

Good natured ribbing aside, I do get what you are trying to say, but I think it's more fair and accurate to say that, as with anything, it's the amount of hours invested in a task that makes you proficient at it - and not your age (Not that I take stock in Gladwell, but his "10K hours to be an expert theory" is realistic). That, in itself, explains why the tech community here may be the exception with a higher concentration of experts at any given thing. The "exception" to the population who otherwise would or wouldn't put in 10K hours, dictated by your exposure, lifestyle & interests, not age. We all start at hour 1 no matter how old, which is why at any age a "social networking" forum could be useful to the site, new and old members alike.

BTW, makes as much sense having a "Social Networking" forum as it does to have "Gaming" or other technology/special interest forums, IMHO. Besides, people don't have to go that forum if they aren't interested - rather than expressing disinterest as is sometimes seen in topics now.

Always over-thinking things....

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-Jim
2010-11-18 09:50:39


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JL:

Whats so special about "social networking" that it can't be supported using the existing DSLR infrastructure? . Basically its just a fancy web 2.0 application. With this thinking, we should have a webmail forum, a cell app forum etc. I just think it will duplicate already working forums.
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JLevinworth

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said by AVD:

JL:

Whats so special about "social networking" that it can't be supported using the existing DSLR infrastructure? . Basically its just a fancy web 2.0 application. With this thinking, we should have a webmail forum, a cell app forum etc. I just think it will duplicate already working forums.
It's not any more special (and not to me personally at all) than any other category/forum. But to your point, why have any forum category then?

Do you think all forums/categories here fit your criteria in such a way that the one proposed couldn't also?


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said by JLevinworth :

said by AVD:

JL:

Whats so special about "social networking" that it can't be supported using the existing DSLR infrastructure? . Basically its just a fancy web 2.0 application. With this thinking, we should have a webmail forum, a cell app forum etc. I just think it will duplicate already working forums.
It's not any more special (and not to me personally at all) than any other category/forum. But to your point, why have any forum category then?

Do you think all forums/categories here fit your criteria in such a way that the one proposed couldn't also?
pick one..
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there is no software support forums,
there are no application support forums..
(only hardware)
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JLevinworth

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said by AVD:

said by JLevinworth :

said by AVD:

JL:

Whats so special about "social networking" that it can't be supported using the existing DSLR infrastructure? . Basically its just a fancy web 2.0 application. With this thinking, we should have a webmail forum, a cell app forum etc. I just think it will duplicate already working forums.
It's not any more special (and not to me personally at all) than any other category/forum. But to your point, why have any forum category then?

Do you think all forums/categories here fit your criteria in such a way that the one proposed couldn't also?
pick one..
I'm asking you to pick one, it's you're point that there isn't one already that covers it fine.


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JLevinworth

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said by AVD:

Basically its just a fancy web 2.0 application.
I honestly don't see why not.

"It" is a broad range of products, between Facebook and the like; Image/Networking sites like Flikr; More professionally geared like LinkedIn, and spanning all is Twitter. There's all sorts of sub-topics for each of these too, such as security, apps, etc. etc. etc.

Heck even this site includes a networking toolbar to incorporate these, not to mention a twitter account too.

Why not group these discussions together where people can find them and use them in one forum efficiently?

I don't have a horse in this, just an opinion on what IMHO could be a good edition to this site. You asked, I answered. YMMV and I respect it does.

-Jim
2010-11-18 10:32:57


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said by JLevinworth :

I think you presented a well thought out argument, kim See Profile. Although, you almost lost me on, if you don't mind me being blunt, the ageist sounding points made paragraph 4. On the upside, you got me humming "Parents Olds just don't understand." haha..

*Sign* (and I am a long time member here, btw).

-Jim
2010-11-18 09:50:39
Thanks for the compliment Jim.
I made quite a general statement about the age difference so let me be clear. I think the older generation need a forum like this more than the younger generation does, not less. I wanted to speak to the skill level of the average computer user and not to the average BBR user. I think that can easily get lost in this discussion so I wanted to bring it up early.

said by useravd706 :
L:

Whats so special about "social networking" that it can't be supported using the existing DSLR infrastructure? . Basically its just a fancy web 2.0 application. With this thinking, we should have a webmail forum, a cell app forum etc. I just think it will duplicate already working forums.
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From your statement above it seems you would address the application (coding etc.) itself. What I'm focussing on is the end user experience. This is about networking using a computer and not how the code is written.

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Again:

What is so special?

If you have a question, there is a forum for that.

If you have a problem, there's a forum for that.

If you have a complaint, there's a forum for that.

You don't need a bunch of "social media" specialists to answer questions, problems, complaints, etc. Like a Mac forum, a linksys forum, or an automobile forum.

(OK maybe a farmville forum)

That's all I'm trying to say.
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Look at how the TSA screening issue is getting play all over the site. Different people discussing the same issue from different perspectives.
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Eeek! I hate the things so my first reaction was "No. What's to understand"? But you make a cogent argument, kim.

Mixing tech and social impact discussions in a single forum might not work well. The applied tech from a facing-users perspective and how it effectively/affectingly serves/exploits users and analyzing why and how those implementations vary is a forum I would take interest in.

The flip side, humans facing applied tech (and being fairly ignorant about how it works), is a sociological discussion and a contentious one at that. People are going to dump about their own addictions & aversions and policy/access opinions so, IMHO, your proposal requires two forums.

I nominate nil and cabana to mod the the latter forum.

[runs for cover]


JLevinworth

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OS and Software
 

Computer Games and Clans

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said by AVD:

Again:

What is so special?

If you have a question, there is a forum for that.

If you have a problem, there's a forum for that.

If you have a complaint, there's a forum for that.

You don't need a bunch of "social media" specialists to answer questions, problems, complaints, etc. Like a Mac forum, a linksys forum, or an automobile forum.

(OK maybe a farmville forum)

That's all I'm trying to say.
Ok, avd. You don't think it's a topic that's "special enough" that warrants a forum for it. I get that. I am not trying to change your mind - that's you're belief.

But, interested enough, or like it or not, it IS a part of today's technology society. Very much so. This is a technology site. One that exists by addressing technology, both old, new, and emerging. It also needs to stay current and bring in new membership too.

Currently now, there are software forums, Mozilla, OS specific, etc., (if you're just looking at it that way), and there are special technology interest forums - "Computer Games and Clans" is an entire group of 8 forums, not including Pub Games.

How is World of Warcraft, with all of it's topics, sw, socializing any different - from your point of view? It's not, and I'll point out here "social networking" spans a much larger audience. Either way, I don't begrudge the need and interest in our technology society for those to exist here.

We're just talking about 1 forum.

Look at the "Technical" category were this might go. Some of those forums are very special interest and as a group, a "Social Networking" forum would bring a good edition that's frankly a little more "with the times" than some.

Mine or anyone's job isn't to convince you, if that's what you want. I've answered you're questions on my opinion (unless more came through while typing). It's time for you to decide.

Respectfully,
-Jim
2010-11-18 11:30:54


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99% of those forums are "hardware" tangible items, not services.
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JLevinworth

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Re: [new forum] Social Networking Forum

said by AVD:

99% of those forums are "hardware" tangible items, not services.
Is that an *object* or *approve* ?

BTW, You are right, there is no hardware required to use any of the social networking products.. they're just magically floating in air. Just like all software does. /sarcasm lol Come, on now. you're done.


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Why not create an IRC forum as well?


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Don't we have enough forums here already? I thought this was a site about broadband and technology, not social networking. If you want social networking, I suggest you go to »www.facebook.com


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said by MineCoast:

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Don't we have enough forums here already? I thought this was a site about broadband and technology, not social networking. If you want social networking, I suggest you go to »www.facebook.com
I agree. There are a lot of forums. That shouldn't bias anyone against an addition if it's needed. Point taken though.

To your above arguement should we remove the Microsoft, Mac, Mozilla, Linksys forums too? Why not just go to the sites themselves as they have excellent help sections.

I think an important point here is the bias many people have to social networking period. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. We all have our own life experiences and opinions. While you may not utilize it as many do, can you deny that it's a strong phenomenon that is not going away. I ask that everyone consider the validity of networking in general. Think about how established organizations such as The Chamber of Commerce and so many other networking organizations are. Then specifically how this translates to the online world.

Just consider it for a bit before you make up your mind.
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said by kim:

said by MineCoast:

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Don't we have enough forums here already? I thought this was a site about broadband and technology, not social networking. If you want social networking, I suggest you go to »www.facebook.com
I agree. There are a lot of forums. That shouldn't bias anyone against an addition if it's needed. Point taken though.

To your above arguement should we remove the Microsoft, Mac, Mozilla, Linksys forums too? Why not just go to the sites themselves as they have excellent help sections.

I think an important point here is the bias many people have to social networking period. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. We all have our own life experiences and opinions. While you may not utilize it as many do, can you deny that it's a strong phenomenon that is not going away. I ask that everyone consider the validity of networking in general. Think about how established organizations such as The Chamber of Commerce and so many other networking organizations are. Then specifically how this translates to the online world.

Just consider it for a bit before you make up your mind.
First off, the Microsoft, Mac, Mozilla, Linksys forums are all computer software/computer hardware related, thus they belong on this site as this site is about broadband and technology. How does social networking relate to broadband/technology? If I wanted to visit a social networking forum, the last place I would think of/want to go to would be a technology site about broadband... how does that relate to the purpose of this site?


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said by AVD:

Again:

What is so special?

If you have a question, there is a forum for that.

If you have a problem, there's a forum for that.

If you have a complaint, there's a forum for that.

You don't need a bunch of "social media" specialists to answer questions, problems, complaints, etc. Like a Mac forum, a linksys forum, or an automobile forum.

(OK maybe a farmville forum)

That's all I'm trying to say.
Basic questions about Facebook security may be met with "don't use Facebook it's evil" if posted in the security forum.....

That's the problem. Happens all the time. It's either "don't use FB", "I don't use FB" or the idiotic "FB IS GARBAGE!!!!11!!!" crap. No help at all in a forum that's supposed to be helpful.

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I agree, kim See Profile makes some persuasive arguments. There's a lot to discuss here, from a number of different angles, and it's a new and still-evolving part of the internet landscape - as consumer-level dsl was when this site was started.
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So long as it's properly moderated to prevent spam from new and old members trying to "monetize their online presence", it sounds like it could be interesting.

I *sign*.
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