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bluedyedvd

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reply to Stem Bolt

Re: [Newsgroups] who knows a list of uncensored dmca usenet prov

said by Stem Bolt:

said by bluedyedvd:

said by vasta:

Using Newshosting here, when I asked them about this months ago they totally avoided my question like the plague

The only good thing is the stuff isn't removed right away so if its like a weekly TV show you download that night its fine but if its like a week old every file will be damaged and something I'm noticing now is that the .par2 file is totally removed from their ;servers so it doesn't download...not sure if that even matters since there probably wouldn't be enough pars to repair stuff

Just tested an 11 day old popular show on HBO and you can see every file is capitalized which means it is damaged...

So far I've only noticed HBO related shows being removed like this

Kind of sucks because sometimes I just forget to record shows on HBO so rather then watching them OnDemand I just download them, I still pay for HBO...oh well

Is this really that big of an issue really sure a provider might get a dmca request from time to time but so what it's almost immediately reuploaded. I would see all these threads about dmca requests and hbo an showtime content on giganews so I did a mass search of there content and downloaded every nzb I could find never had a issue with any with one exception. I was looking for a copy of the dark knight and came across 403 msg I tried like 20 different nzbs all around the same time. the dates were when the movie leaked early but does anyone have a problem downloading it now.

No guarantee that the content is going to be reposted in a timely fashion. Even when reposted, why should any have to wait until some else gets around to posting it again because of DMCA?

Why are people paying those premium prices for Giganews when they can't count on being able download the content they want, when they want, anytime they want within the retention period?

The DMCA take downs are happening with Giganews. Giganews users are reporting that some targeted content is being taken down within a few days.

I don't know what kind of mass search you did or when you did it but at this time, DMCA take downs are being noticed by a number of Giganews users.

Your fortunate not to have been affected by DMCA take downs yet but others haven't been so lucky. Just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening to any one else. Others are reporting being affected and inconvenienced by it.
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I never said it wasn't happening I said its not that big of a deal
what percentage of content on usenet do you think is affected by dmca I would say nowhere near even 1 percent it's much better than cyberlockers and torrent sites not including tpb. Whats going to kill giganews is not the dmca it's the price.


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reply to Stem Bolt
said by Stem Bolt:

said by unoriginal:

The only one that I know for sure is entirely out of the US is Xsnews. They only have a server farm in the EU. All the others have service in the US and EU and would be subject to DMCA takedown requests.

True. Any provider/reseller located in the U.S. is vulnerable to DMCA. But at this time "Readnews" hasn't been a target of DMCA take downs. That could change at any moment. Readnews is relatively tiny compared to the likes of GigaNews and Highwinds. Those two are like a magnet to DMCA.

From what I've heard Astraweb hasn't been hit with DMCA. But I hesitate to recommend them because they have been having technical problems lately. Many users have been complaining of connection and speed issues.

Not ALL Astraweb users but a large number are reporting these issues. Plus last December they had a problem with incompletes that ranged for several weeks of their retention.

There may come a time when everyone will need to use a Dutch usenet provider to download DMCA protected content. I'm not looking forward to that.

Why are you not looking forward to that? I am. Looking into using a overseas newsgroup provider currently anyway! Best of both worlds if you ask me. I don't have a problem using a Dutch, French, German, Russian, or whatever other country newsgroup provider.
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said by 90115534:

said by Stem Bolt:

said by unoriginal:

The only one that I know for sure is entirely out of the US is Xsnews. They only have a server farm in the EU. All the others have service in the US and EU and would be subject to DMCA takedown requests.

True. Any provider/reseller located in the U.S. is vulnerable to DMCA. But at this time "Readnews" hasn't been a target of DMCA take downs. That could change at any moment. Readnews is relatively tiny compared to the likes of GigaNews and Highwinds. Those two are like a magnet to DMCA.

From what I've heard Astraweb hasn't been hit with DMCA. But I hesitate to recommend them because they have been having technical problems lately. Many users have been complaining of connection and speed issues.

Not ALL Astraweb users but a large number are reporting these issues. Plus last December they had a problem with incompletes that ranged for several weeks of their retention.

There may come a time when everyone will need to use a Dutch usenet provider to download DMCA protected content. I'm not looking forward to that.

Why are you not looking forward to that? I am. Looking into using a overseas newsgroup provider currently anyway! Best of both worlds if you ask me. I don't have a problem using a Dutch, French, German, Russian, or whatever other country newsgroup provider.

Why would anyone look forward to it?

I'm not looking forward to it because competition between usenet providers means better/more choices for the end user. Just look at what has happened in the last 3 years with usenet. Astraweb broke ground with $11 prices and retention increases. Which made their competition increase their retention and drop their prices. The result, cheap usenet and incredible retention for everyone.

If at some point in the future the Dutch providers become the only ones the can provide the means to download content unrestricted, then they can charge prices as they see fit with far less competition that would keep prices down. Or force providers to maintain quality and reliability at the risk of losing customers to the competition.

The Dutch providers can't maintain servers inside the U.S. without being subject to DMCA, so you would only be able to download from overseas servers. Which could lead to possible speed and performance issues at some point if you live in North America. The retention of Dutch providers is far behind compared those located in the States.

Have you come across any Dutch providers that can match price and retention of those providers in the States?

I still don't understand why you say your looking forward to it.
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said by Stem Bolt:

Why would anyone look forward to it?

I'm not looking forward to it because competition between usenet providers means better/more choices for the end user. Just look at what has happened in the last 3 years with usenet. Astraweb broke ground with $11 prices and retention increases. Which made their competition increase their retention and drop their prices. The result, cheap usenet and incredible retention for everyone.

If at some point in the future the Dutch providers become the only ones the can provide the means to download content unrestricted, then they can charge prices as they see fit with far less competition that would keep prices down. Or force providers to maintain quality and reliability at the risk of losing customers to the competition.

The Dutch providers can't maintain servers inside the U.S. without being subject to DMCA, so you would only be able to download from overseas servers. Which could lead to possible speed and performance issues at some point if you live in North America. The retention of Dutch providers is far behind compared those located in the States.

Have you come across any Dutch providers that can match price and retention of those providers in the States?

I still don't understand why you say your looking forward to it.

Well I used the European servers from providers and they seem to be the same speedwise.

I even used some of those dutch providers before and they are fine speedwise as well. One of them is even going to 1000 days retention, yes I know they still have a long way to go and only at like 300 or 400 something days now.

I am looking forward to it because DMCA requests can't touch it! There is beauty in that! All the people on here that are from the DMCA reading this thread right now, if there is one even, I can go haha to. Not that it matters. There is a few ways around DMCA requests on US based or have US newsgroup servers though. There a little bit a pain in the butt though but it works! I tried it.
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said by 90115534:

yes I know they still have a long way to go and only at like 300 or 400 something days now.

I am looking forward to it because DMCA requests can't touch it! There is beauty in that!

I found it odd. I still don't understand why you would be looking forward to it.

I can understand liking the fact that DMCA is useless against the Dutch providers but actually looking forward to a time when DMCA effectively cripples usenet providers in the States is a mystery to me.
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said by Stem Bolt:

said by 90115534:

yes I know they still have a long way to go and only at like 300 or 400 something days now.

I am looking forward to it because DMCA requests can't touch it! There is beauty in that!

I found it odd. I still don't understand why you would be looking forward to it.

I can understand liking the fact that DMCA is useless against the Dutch providers but actually looking forward to a time when DMCA effectively cripples usenet providers in the States is a mystery to me.

Well the last part I don't want to happen but it was bound to happen sooner or later.

We all know a good thing can't last forever.

Like I said though DMCA requests can try to take down posts but it doesn't matter. There a way around all the DMCA requests if your smart. Yes by using your same newsgroup provider that has all the DMCA requests to begin with even. Doesn't matter if it is in the US or not. Still as way around it. Used it before works every time.
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said by 90115534:

said by Stem Bolt:

said by 90115534:

yes I know they still have a long way to go and only at like 300 or 400 something days now.

I am looking forward to it because DMCA requests can't touch it! There is beauty in that!

I found it odd. I still don't understand why you would be looking forward to it.

I can understand liking the fact that DMCA is useless against the Dutch providers but actually looking forward to a time when DMCA effectively cripples usenet providers in the States is a mystery to me.

Well the last part I don't want to happen but it was bound to happen sooner or later.

We all know a good thing can't last forever.

Like I said though DMCA requests can try to take down posts but it doesn't matter. There a way around all the DMCA requests if your smart. Yes by using your same newsgroup provider that has all the DMCA requests to begin with even. Doesn't matter if it is in the US or not. Still as way around it. Used it before works every time.

Please share this secret you have of getting content that's been removed because of DMCA request.
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90115534
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said by Stem Bolt:

Please share this secret you have of getting content that's been removed because of DMCA request.

Your not going to like it but here goes.

Sure it is quite simple really and common knowledge I am sure. It is after all common sense. Just look for the content you want through newsgroup headers instead. One that was not a nzb file. Remember nzb indexing sites don't catch all releases of the same content. So it looks like people posting many different copies of the same content is turning out to be the silver lining of all of this! This works 99% of the time for me. What DMCA requester in their right mind is going to go through all Usenet headers to make sure they get every post of their content gets deleted ? Thank god for old school newsgroup methods to the rescue! Hopefully no DMCA take down requesters read this forum lol.

The bad side to nzb indexing sites is all a DMCA requester has to do to make their job easier is sign up to one and report all the nzb files they see that their company wants them to take down. Really sucks but hey it goes with the territory.
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vasta

join:2003-04-07
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Testing how long it takes, 2 days on and the files are still able to be downloaded just fine, guess I'll download a file or 2 everyday till they become totally damaged, I know it is close to 11 days though


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said by vasta:

Testing how long it takes, 2 days on and the files are still able to be downloaded just fine, guess I'll download a file or 2 everyday till they become totally damaged, I know it is close to 11 days though

Ok. As long as the files your downloading have not been created as a nzb file on one of the most known nzb indexing websites they should be fine. Otherwise there is no guarantee. Depends on what the content is too but that is a given.
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reply to Denun
I never had any issues getting stuff with Astraweb, but when I had Supernews they seemed to take stuff down, but their owned by Giganews..


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said by ztmike:

I never had any issues getting stuff with Astraweb, but when I had Supernews they seemed to take stuff down, but their owned by Giganews..

Yep. Have to remember to Giganews is one of the biggest Newsgroup providers out there in the world. They even have servers in Japan now I think. So they are prime target unfortunately.

Though like I said there is a way around it and it does work. A little bit of the round about way but at least you can get the stuff your looking for! I knew old school usenet methods would come in handy sooner or later!
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mmainprize

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reply to Denun
I have not seen this i guess i just am not looking for the stuff being taken down.

The way around this will be the new trend of file share site, or join a private site that posts to usenet using numbered posts. If you know the number (get it from the private site) of the post for the HBO show then you can find it.

Like said in other post about nzb indexers if HBO joins this numbering site then they will start the take downs.


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said by mmainprize:

I have not seen this i guess i just am not looking for the stuff being taken down.

The way around this will be the new trend of file share site, or join a private site that posts to usenet using numbered posts. If you know the number (get it from the private site) of the post for the HBO show then you can find it.

Like said in other post about nzb indexers if HBO joins this numbering site then they will start the take downs.

Exactly. May be one way to catch who the DMCA user is as well. Highly doubtful though.
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Lenny_Nero

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reply to Stem Bolt

But at this time "Readnews" hasn't been a target of DMCA take downs. That could change at any moment. Readnews is relatively tiny compared to the likes of GigaNews and Highwinds. Those two are like a magnet to DMCA.

Readnews might be 'tiny' in your eyes with just 600~700 days but Avi, for one, has been working in and around Usenet/NNTP longer that most other names I have seen on this page as so called big Usenet.

Having used Avi's (Readnews) servers often over the last 10 something years I have no doubt in their ability.
After all they sell to ISP's and big companies, not just an end user they can blame the problem on, that is if they were even to admit there is a problem like most of the so-called big sellers do, or dont as the case maybe.


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said by Lenny_Nero:

Readnews might be 'tiny' in your eyes with just 600~700 days but Avi, for one, has been working in and around Usenet/NNTP longer that most other names I have seen on this page as so called big Usenet.

Having used Avi's (Readnews) servers often over the last 10 something years I have no doubt in their ability.
After all they sell to ISP's and big companies, not just an end user they can blame the problem on, that is if they were even to admit there is a problem like most of the so-called big sellers do, or dont as the case maybe.

I wasn't attacking or insulting Readnews. They have 800+ days of retention which is competitive with other providers. As long as I've been using them through a reseller (2+ years), I haven't experienced any major issues.

Readnews is smaller then Giganews and Highwinds. That's just not in my eyes. It's a fact. Saying their smaller doesn't mean they don't provide great service. Being smaller in my opinion may be the reason they haven't been targeted by DMCA take down requests and allows them to maintain their servers and keep them running reliably. That is a good thing.

I have nothing but praise for Readnews.
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Lenny_Nero

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I wasn't attacking or insulting Readnews.
[...]
I have nothing but praise for Readnews.

First off, re-reading the thread it does not look as bad as it did in my mind the first time I skimmed thru, thats what I get for running too many boxes and not enuff screens.

If you were just to look at size and feed, or even cost, then giggle news (as giga news are known in the trade) could be classed as bigger, but I very much doubt that there are any people at Giganews or any highwinds [re]seller that have been working with and/or around NNTP as long as Avi Freedman has.


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reply to Denun
The last time I saw any DMCA takedown action on Giganews was for a post of a Lego Star Wars game. Although the first chunk of each archive was corrupted in such a way as to make it unrepairable, there were enough par2 blocks to successfully repair them.

I wonder if the takedowns are mainly being applied to recent movies, TV shows, music, software & games, or if older content is being targeted as well. I'm currently downloading something from 1980, and it doesn't appear to have been taken down. That may be because it was only posted a few days ago.
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ophelus

join:2004-01-11
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I recently downloaded the blurays of dexter season 4.. I also have yet to see this "missing" data.. also this data was like 100 days old or something..

I was pleasantly surprised recently to pull about 700 days old data off giganews Obscure stuff (not the hbo/showtime missing data talked about)

For the record though.. I find the DCMA takedowns that are pointed at *giganews* as a tough sell..
said by Stem Bolt:

said by ophelus:

said by Stem Bolt:

The content from premium cable channels like HBO and Showtime. Which gets taken down by DMCA notices.

Hey, I could care less if Giganews has a big red target painted on it for DMCA notices. Let Giganews be a lightening rod. It's the the posts saying "Giganews is the best" that I have a problem with. Paying much higher prices for Giganews while they take down content does not make them "the best in my book".

I will keep my eye out for HBO or SHOWTIME content removed from "giganews" but I personally have downloaded all of "The Pacific" this summer as it was being "upped" from giganews and "Temple Gradin" hd version/cap also.. and I was unaware of any versions that were missing..

The problem isn't being able to download DMCA targeted content "as it's being uploaded", before the DMCA notices are issued. It's after the DMCA notices are received and complied with.

Even though I said I was downloading as it was being "upped" I'm pretty sure that what I downloaded is still available.. and I recently deleted all my "caps" because I wanted the bluray versions Still haven't even watched any of e'm

To put it frankly DCMA takedowns is a mute issue in my book because they get one thing taken down.. and 100 copies get uploaded in it's place.. for example right now there are probably available in 800+ days of retention.. at least a minimum of 10 "english" episodes of dexter 404 in various formats


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said by ophelus:

To put it frankly DCMA takedowns is a mute issue in my book because they get one thing taken down.. and 100 copies get uploaded in it's place.. for example right now there are probably available in 800+ days of retention.. at least a minimum of 10 "english" episodes of dexter 404 in various formats

I think you meant moot. But your talking about popular content that gets re-uploaded on a regular basis. How about the more obscure stuff that's hard to find and not popular enough to get uploaded again countless times? Sometimes it's a one shot deal for "rare" stuff. Not everything gets re-uploaded dozens of times a month/year.
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ophelus

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said by Stem Bolt:

I think you meant moot. But your talking about popular content that gets re-uploaded on a regular basis. How about the more obscure stuff that's hard to find and not popular enough to get uploaded again countless times? Sometimes it's a one shot deal for "rare" stuff. Not everything gets re-uploaded dozens of times a month/year.

Yep, I mean moot but mute works too

I know your just kind of pointing out that giganews isn't perfect but unless you have some substance to your argument such as.. yah know they used to have this rare series called "lost in space" on their servers before a DCMA made them take it down..

I think your just arguing "semantics" I have personally been downloading from usenet since 2000 and in my experience when I have downloaded from cheaper providers such as "astraweb" or "newshosting" I have found often enough (or more than enough) that they have incompletes that cannot be "repaired" or require par's when on giganews no such REPAIR is necessary.. (I have actually had to use giganews service or the europe server with there's to fix some old/bad files quite a few times)

That has been my experience.. I'm all for the competition after all look we now have 850 days retention.. but I'm mostly sure if anyone is pulling it off "giganews" is..

In all my experience with giganews the only crime I'm aware there guilty off.. is charging too much and holding the retention record at 340 days and then not having enough space left to hold it.. and lowering it down to 300 or so.. a year ago or so

This so called "missing data" I have yet to run across.. but I am keeping my eyes open... if you have a example of something you wanted that's "rare" being removed.. I'd love to hear about that?

shaddix

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Well. I just cancelled my giganews account yesterday because of DMCA crap and am looking for another provider, I had a good price with them too. World cup special, 20/month for their diamond service without the vypervpn stuff, but it's not worth it if I can't download the stuff I want right? I guess I'm going to astraweb.

And yes, screw the speeds and up the price, bring on the dutch. As I said, it's worthless unless you can actually download the articles, the rest of it is secondary.


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said by ophelus:

I recently downloaded the blurays of dexter season 4.. I also have yet to see this "missing" data.. also this data was like 100 days old or something..

I was pleasantly surprised recently to pull about 700 days old data off giganews Obscure stuff (not the hbo/showtime missing data talked about)

Even though I said I was downloading as it was being "upped" I'm pretty sure that what I downloaded is still available.. and I recently deleted all my "caps" because I wanted the bluray versions Still haven't even watched any of e'm

To put it frankly DCMA takedowns is a mute issue in my book because they get one thing taken down.. and 100 copies get uploaded in it's place.. for example right now there are probably available in 800+ days of retention.. at least a minimum of 10 "english" episodes of dexter 404 in various formats

Yep exactly how I see it!
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said by Stem Bolt:

said by ophelus:

To put it frankly DCMA takedowns is a mute issue in my book because they get one thing taken down.. and 100 copies get uploaded in it's place.. for example right now there are probably available in 800+ days of retention.. at least a minimum of 10 "english" episodes of dexter 404 in various formats

I think you meant moot. But your talking about popular content that gets re-uploaded on a regular basis. How about the more obscure stuff that's hard to find and not popular enough to get uploaded again countless times? Sometimes it's a one shot deal for "rare" stuff. Not everything gets re-uploaded dozens of times a month/year.

That is possible but most of the time I see it posted at least twice sometimes only once though. Once we get to 1000 to 1500 day retention we should be in the clear almost with rare content! Remember anything that has been posted a year or two ago is on newsgroups indefinitely now as long as retention constantly keeps increasing! That and if there is no DMCA takedown notices but highly unlike on some providers.

Look at it this way you are much safer on a overseas only provider now than one in the US if you want to make sure you are 99% sure to avoid any DMCA takedowns.
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said by ophelus:

I know your just kind of pointing out that giganews isn't perfect but unless you have some substance to your argument such as.. yah know they used to have this rare series called "lost in space" on their servers before a DCMA made them take it down..

I think your just arguing "semantics"

People who are paying for Giganews are paying premium prices for a premium service. At least that's how Giganews has positioned themselves in the usenet market. That's how they are justifying their higher prices.

If I'm paying a premium price for a usenet service I expect to be able to download any content when I want, when ever I want within their retention limits. If I try to download a tv show or a game and it's been taken down because of DMCA, why should I pay a premium for the privilege of having to wait until someone gets around to re-uploading it? I want the content NOW, not tomorrow, days or weeks later.

You keep pointing out popular shows that get re-uploaded over and over. There is a lot of content that just isn't as popular. That doesn't get re-uploaded as quickly as those shows you keep pointing out.

That's why I choose to pay for a less expensive service and I'm able to get the content I want, when I want.
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ophelus

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said by Stem Bolt:

People who are paying for Giganews are paying premium prices for a premium service. At least that's how Giganews has positioned themselves in the usenet market. That's how they are justifying their higher prices.

If I'm paying a premium price for a usenet service I expect to be able to download any content when I want, when ever I want within their retention limits. If I try to download a tv show or a game and it's been taken down because of DMCA, why should I pay a premium for the privilege of having to wait until someone gets around to re-uploading it? I want the content NOW, not tomorrow, days or weeks later.

You keep pointing out popular shows that get re-uploaded over and over. There is a lot of content that just isn't as popular. That doesn't get re-uploaded as quickly as those shows you keep pointing out.

That's why I choose to pay for a less expensive service and I'm able to get the content I want, when I want.

Stem Bolt here's what I'm really saying..

Your argument against giganews feels more personal and less rational to me..

I will continue to pursue giganews as my favorite provider for a number of reasons until I see that using another would benefit me more.. or until I see the content I want.. "filtered" as you say..

But since you don't have any examples.. your argument is all about their practices vs. what they've actually done?

Because there's nothing in it to show me or anyone else for that matter what "data" they’re missing out on.. it's more like your sniping giganews without even bothering to check for yourself.. as I said again your argument seems "personal" not balanced

I can honestly tell you straight to your face "Stem Bolt" if I personally ran giganews I'd comply with DMCA rules too.. because I would like to give the appearance that I care about "copyright holders" rights.. even if I was in the very business of violating them for money

So if you prefer to pay your money to some poor usenet provider on some "moral" standpoint who has less completion and poorer retention then by all means it's a free country and a free market.. but I wouldn't knock the other guy without giving them a balanced spin..


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said by ophelus:

said by Stem Bolt:

People who are paying for Giganews are paying premium prices for a premium service. At least that's how Giganews has positioned themselves in the usenet market. That's how they are justifying their higher prices.

If I'm paying a premium price for a usenet service I expect to be able to download any content when I want, when ever I want within their retention limits. If I try to download a tv show or a game and it's been taken down because of DMCA, why should I pay a premium for the privilege of having to wait until someone gets around to re-uploading it? I want the content NOW, not tomorrow, days or weeks later.

You keep pointing out popular shows that get re-uploaded over and over. There is a lot of content that just isn't as popular. That doesn't get re-uploaded as quickly as those shows you keep pointing out.

That's why I choose to pay for a less expensive service and I'm able to get the content I want, when I want.

Stem Bolt here's what I'm really saying..

Your argument against giganews feels more personal and less rational to me..

I will continue to pursue giganews as my favorite provider for a number of reasons until I see that using another would benefit me more.. or until I see the content I want.. "filtered" as you say..

But since you don't have any examples.. your argument is all about their practices vs. what they've actually done?

Because there's nothing in it to show me or anyone else for that matter what "data" they’re missing out on.. it's more like your sniping giganews without even bothering to check for yourself.. as I said again your argument seems "personal" not balanced

I can honestly tell you straight to your face "Stem Bolt" if I personally ran giganews I'd comply with DMCA rules too.. because I would like to give the appearance that I care about "copyright holders" rights.. even if I was in the very business of violating them for money

So if you prefer to pay your money to some poor usenet provider on some "moral" standpoint who has less completion and poorer retention then by all means it's a free country and a free market.. but I wouldn't knock the other guy without giving them a balanced spin..

True. At least Giganews won't shutdown sense they are giving the appearance! They are fighting back in a nondirect way! Though like I said there is a way and always will be to get around DMCA rules. It is not up to the Newsgroup provider but the nzb indexing sites and uploaders. Around half and half. I don't think any DMCA requester actually goes on usenet or downloads headers to request a takendown. Why would they ? Easier ways to see if it is on newsgroups and report it.
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reply to ophelus
said by ophelus:

So if you prefer to pay your money to some poor usenet provider on some "moral" standpoint who has less completion and poorer retention then by all means it's a free country and a free market.. but I wouldn't knock the other guy without giving them a balanced spin..

Not "moral" standpoint, but a financial one. I can't see spending 2x money when I can get basically the same service cheaper. Is that "rational" enough for you?

Giganews has maybe 7-10 days more retention then the provider I'm using. My provider has better completion because it hasn't been hit by DMCA. And I pay less then half. That extra 10 days isn't worth twice the price to me.

If you want examples of DMCA take down on Giganews, just read forums on other usenet NZB sites. Plenty of first hand Giganews customer complaints.

Hey, it's your money.

Good luck.
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said by Stem Bolt:

said by ophelus:

So if you prefer to pay your money to some poor usenet provider on some "moral" standpoint who has less completion and poorer retention then by all means it's a free country and a free market.. but I wouldn't knock the other guy without giving them a balanced spin..

Not "moral" standpoint, but a financial one. I can't see spending 2x money when I can get basically the same service cheaper. Is that "rational" enough for you?

Giganews has maybe 7-10 days more retention then the provider I'm using. My provider has better completion because it hasn't been hit by DMCA. And I pay less then half. That extra 10 days isn't worth twice the price to me.

If you want examples of DMCA take down on Giganews, just read forums on other usenet NZB sites. Plenty of first hand Giganews customer complaints.

Hey, it's your money.

Good luck.

That is true but remember there is a way around it. Not that it makes any difference right now.

Though it sure in heck will when all providers are attacked.
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Wow talk about a mod being mad at me getting my gif to work without having to ask for help on the dslreports forums. Now they are mad I got my wish with Hurricane Katrina. Well at least mother nature will take care of that for me. xD Can't wait to read it


HansLanda

@hispeed.ch
I've been a Giganews member for over a decade(!). But after they deleleted almost 80% of the content in a.b.g.x360 i switched to astraweb. It seems to me Astraweb isn't affected that hard by DMCA takedown notices as giganews ist. Giganews is now almost useless for me for older releases ...