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| Re: Funny coming from a site who's business based on blacklists said by Linklist:More than slightly inconvenient for MOST internet users.
Not even close! You TEMPORARILY inconvenience the community of users who use the service. Think about it. The community of users who want to read Wikileaks has GROWN enormously, and access to the information has GROWN as a result of the US attempting to block it. There are now over 500 mirrors of Wikileaks (»wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html) all over the world. Why? Because the US attempted to block them. That fact alone advertised and propagated the information. Make something forbidden, make it hard to get, and people will flock to it!
What do you suppose will happen tomorrow if Facebook, Google, or Twitter are deemed subversive, and the US blocks them? Over night a fix will propagate, and another US government control will be made irrelevant. Those services will become more popular than ever!
It's called freedom, and it can't be stopped. All attempts to thwart it will only cause it to grow. I don't oppose COICA, nor do I oppose the RIAA's or the MPAA's attempts to stop P2P traffic. All it does. is further harden and streamline the technology, making their efforts more nonsensical and useless. The same goes for the US government. The more silly games they play. the less control they will have in the end. That's a GOOD thing!
Remember what Benito Mussolini said: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." And we all know the ultimate end of fascists right?
Bob
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| Re: Funny coming from a site who's business based on blacklists said by TamaraB:said by Linklist:More than slightly inconvenient for MOST internet users.
Not even close! You TEMPORARILY inconvenience the community of users who use the service. Think about it. The community of users who want to read Wikileaks has GROWN enormously, and access to the information has GROWN as a result of the US attempting to block it. There are now over 500 mirrors of Wikileaks (» wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html) all over the world. Why? Because the US attempted to block them. That fact alone advertised and propagated the information. Make something forbidden, make it hard to get, and people will flock to it! What do you suppose will happen tomorrow if Facebook, Google, or Twitter are deemed subversive, and the US blocks them? Over night a fix will propagate, and another US government control will be made irrelevant. Those services will become more popular than ever! It's called freedom, and it can't be stopped. All attempts to thwart it will only cause it to grow. I don't oppose COICA, nor do I oppose the RIAA's or the MPAA's attempts to stop P2P traffic. All it does. is further harden and streamline the technology, making their efforts more nonsensical and useless. The same goes for the US government. The more silly games they play. the less control they will have in the end. That's a GOOD thing! Remember what Benito Mussolini said: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." And we all know the ultimate end of fascists right? Bob I would agree with you on wikileaks, but theft is as much a 'freedom' as murder or any other criminal activity. Move away and you will still need to abide by laws, otherwise you are just a common criminal. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Funny coming from a site who's business based on blacklists Copyright infringement. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Funny coming from a site who's business based on blacklists said by TamaraB:said by Linklist:Sorry, copyright infringement can also be a CRIMINAL offense:
It CAN be ONLY if it is used for profit. If I sell a counterfeit DVD yes, If I download a movie NO. Read your own link. ... if the infringement was committed —
(A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain
You forgot the "OR". Everyone always forget to read those in laws.
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(C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.
Meaning if you are dumb enough to use a P2P file sharing network to watch(and also thereby distribute) a movie or listen to a song BEFORE it was released for public consumption you just committed a criminal act. And we all know those are favorite things that copyright infringers do - try to watch a movie BEFORE it is released to theaters. | |
| | | | | | | | TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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| Re: Funny coming from a site who's business based on blacklists said by Linklist: .... to watch(and also thereby distribute) a movie or listen to a song BEFORE it was released for public consumption ...
Gee really? You mean movies are available on-line before they are released? Wow, didn't know that!
So that's why the MAFFIA is wanting COICA? Now I understand. It's all those pre-releases on p2p networks that have their panties in an uproar. Makes sense then to give them the power to shut down parts of the Internet; makes perfect sense!
Guess the sue-o-matic approach didn't work out too well for them eh? 
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kudos:1 | Just null route uncooperative ASNs and all your mirrors are gone. | |
| | TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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| Re: Funny coming from a site who's business based on blacklists said by patcat88:Just null route uncooperative ASNs and all your mirrors are gone.
Hmmmm.... that would spell an instant end to any US control over the Internet Internationally, creating a walled-garden Internet within our borders -- which is not a bad thing actually. Why don't you suggest that approach to your CongressCritter? Good move! It's becoming very clear that the US can't be trusted with stewardship of secrets or the Internet.
said by patcat88:And next week you will be bound drugged and gagged in egypt because its all run by the NSA. Nor, apparently, can the US government be trusted to uphold it's own Constitution, or International law; that's called a "rouge State" by definition. Way to go!!
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kudos:1 | Re: Funny coming from a site who's business based on blacklists said by TamaraB:said by patcat88:Just null route uncooperative ASNs and all your mirrors are gone.
Hmmmm.... that would spell an instant end to any US control over the Internet Internationally, creating a walled-garden Internet within our borders -- which is not a bad thing actually. Why don't you suggest that approach to your CongressCritter? Good move! It's becoming very clear that the US can't be trusted with stewardship of secrets or the Internet. »fixedorbit.com/stats.htm half the top IP address holders are in the USA. The USA is a peering capital of the world. Terrorist FUD in western europe can surely get some EU countries to sign on. The EU already collects more info than the USA does »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_2006/24/EC | |
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