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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
reply to LostInWoods

Re: Something has to give.

And, in some cases, those municipal broadband offerings are in areas the duopoly isn't servicing, but the duopoly opposes it because they might one day decide to enter that market and, if/when they do, they don't want to "compete with the government." So the people continue to get no access and the duopoly ISPs get to keep promising access... sometime... maybe... we'll see.
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Guspaz
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Montreal, QC
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reply to fifty nine
Most ISPs in Canada already have caps and overage fees. Bell Canada has a 60GB cap on their standard DSL service, and a $2.50 per gigabyte overage fee.

Doesn't that kind of cover the added costs of greater demand for streaming?

In fact, since Bell managed to convince the CRTC to mandate these same fees on wholesalers who lease access to Bell's telephone lines, my DSL bill is going to *triple*. I'd say that covers waaay more than any justifiable upgrades!
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r81984
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Katy, TX
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reply to battleop
said by battleop:

"ISPs are not eating any costs. In 99% of the US broadband ISPs are monopolies"

You clearly have absolutely no idea as to what you are taking about. Please show us where A. ISPs are not taking a hit on this and B. where 99% of broadband ISPs are monopolies.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Your monthly fee pays for your internet connection.
How much do you think the physical cable to your house and the routing equipment costs??? Paying $50 a month to to your ISP is almost all profit for them. If it was not then they would go under after paying tv content provider with $50 a month cable plans.

Google/netflix pays their monthly fees to their ISP.
ISPs get money from everyone to pay for the network and can basically charge any price since broadband ISPs are monopolies.
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swintec
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Alfred, ME
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said by r81984:

How much do you think the physical cable to your house and the routing equipment costs???

Not sure, can you please tell us? How much does the pole rental cost throughout an entire plant, the line maintenance techs and all the equipment including truck and gas, call center buildings, staff, remote buildings for CMTS and associated equipment, advertisements, peering costs to offload the traffic and the list goes on and on and on.

This isnt just stringing a piece of CAT 5 to each house and plugging it into a 80 dollar Linksys router you know.
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Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to fifty nine
I am going to assume you did not read the linked article as you are still spewing nonsense. You should read it, there are even pretty pictures with color and all to help you understand better.

This has absolutely nothing to do with peering and thus has nothing to do with what Comcast is trying to claim. Comcast is NOT a peering company. They are trying to be more of a CDN just as Level 3 is, but that is not relevant to any of this beyond the fact that Comcast is attempting to profit from others being CDN's to companies they are not by charging a "toll" to have traffic delivered to their customers.

I am not going to continue to dispute this with you. The facts are out there, not just the he said / she said stuff. You trying to ignore them for the benefit of your argument is not going to change that.


elwoodblues
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reply to r81984
said by r81984:

My cable company sells cable for $50 a month and internet for $50 a month. They make a much smaller profit off the tv after they pay content providers than when they sell internet which requires no payment to content providers.

In Canada the cable companies don't pay what we call the "conventional channels" providers (major Canadian networks, the 4 US networks, etc). However the cableco's do have to pay the freight to get the content to their NOC.

When it comes to the specialty channels, the Cableco's also hold all the cards, most channels do no require mandatory carriage, so each "broadcaster" has to negotiate withe Cableco's for carriage, and trust me if they get more then 50c/subscriber I'd be quite surprised.

The cablecos up here are also the major internet providers and at the same time own substantial broadcasting properties. Americans talk about concentration of the media, trust me, it's much worse in Canada.
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r81984
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reply to swintec
said by swintec:

said by r81984:

How much do you think the physical cable to your house and the routing equipment costs???

Not sure, can you please tell us? How much does the pole rental cost throughout an entire plant, the line maintenance techs and all the equipment including truck and gas, call center buildings, staff, remote buildings for CMTS and associated equipment, advertisements, peering costs to offload the traffic and the list goes on and on and on.

This isnt just stringing a piece of CAT 5 to each house and plugging it into a 80 dollar Linksys router you know.

I guess you did not read my post.
Providing internet is cheaper than providing cable tv, but yet they basically charge the same per month for each service.
Their plant is already paid for from the cable TV, internet is just a bonus.
They make a fortune off the internet.
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battleop

join:2005-09-28
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reply to r81984
Just wondering. How long have your worked in the ISP industry at a level where you are part of the decision making process?

gruntlord6

join:2010-06-10
Barrie, ON
reply to battleop
said by battleop:

"ISPs are not eating any costs. In 99% of the US broadband ISPs are monopolies"

You clearly have absolutely no idea as to what you are taking about. Please show us where A. ISPs are not taking a hit on this and B. where 99% of broadband ISPs are monopolies.

ISPs are NOT eating the cost. You obviously do not understand canadian broadband. The lowest tier plans have a 2gb cap, the highest having a 175gb cap. In the case of UBB with wholesalers its even worse. The wholesaler pays the ISP for bandwidth, provides thier own network after the initial transit, and then the consumer gets billed by the wholesaler and the ISP for overages.

Tell me how that is "eating the cost"


battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
"You obviously do not understand canadian broadband."

Very true, seeing as how I don't work for a Canadian ISP and this statement was about "US broadband ISPs are monopolies"


MonkeyLick78

join:2002-01-27
Hixson, TN
reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:

said by morbo:

ISPs can raise their prices for internet service if they believe the market will bear it. Adapt or die.

What if ISPs decided to charge more for certain types of content? Then people would be screaming "net neutrality!!!!!" and run straight to the FCC/CRTC crying about how evil corporations are putting up toll booths on the internet.

Well yes, because that would be extremely stupid and greedy. It's like you're trying to think of the most greedy and horrible thing for consumers so you can say "LOOK! SEE?! They always cry no matter what they do!" Data is data and doesn't come in different "flavors". It's called the cost of doing business and these ISP's seem to be making nice profits in spite of the big bad Video Services. You can't whine about bandwidth costs and then turn around and show a healthy return.


Maer

@shawcable.net
reply to fifty nine
The internet was not designed to be a series of toll roads to be abused. As for the CRTC it only works for the major ISPs so clearly you know jack about that. Considering Canadians have had to pay for most of copper based networks here it think its only fair we have some say over how we access content over it. Power should not be in the hands of companies whose own VOD services are in direct competition with all online media to prevent cord cutters and people paying less for netflix then single VOD PPV movie you can only watch once(go shaw less for more!)


Ponga

@shawcable.net
reply to fifty nine
So are you paying 1-2 dollars per gig in overage fees with a cap under 100gigs? Do you have only 2 ISPs in your area with exact same caps and overage plans? Its called collusion not capitalism... Crippling the internet just as internet based VOD is taking off in Canada has nothing to do with bandwidth problems.