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Re: TATAsaid by fifty nine:said by jjoshua:said by fifty nine:Except that Level3 is profiting from this immensely via its CDN business.
Level3 can't tell Comcast to screw off because then they'd lose the free peering so critical to their cut rate CDN business.
Why shouldn't L3 be allowed to profit? Comcast feels that they are entitled to L3's profits because comcast's customers are the reason for L3's existence? L3 should cut off comcast's links for 1 day to teach them a lesson. They are allowed to profit. Comcast is also allowed to make a business decision that protects their profit and doesn't suddenly increase their operating costs. Using their monopolistic / collusion techniques without restriction, of course. |
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said by WernerSchutz:Using their monopolistic / collusion techniques without restriction, of course.
Of course. And Level 3 is just a saint, aren't they? |
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said by fifty nine:said by WernerSchutz:Using their monopolistic / collusion techniques without restriction, of course.
Of course. And Level 3 is just a saint, aren't they? In this particular case, new evidence leans towards Level 3 being a victim. I really don't care if the eat dogs and spit on trees, for this topic it is leaning that Comcast is using collusion techniques which raise rates on internet services to provide the service (trickle all the way up and then back down again) by artificially reducing supply. |
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said by fifty nine:said by WernerSchutz:Using their monopolistic / collusion techniques without restriction, of course.
Of course. And Level 3 is just a saint, aren't they? Compared to CC, yes. |
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Level 3 is playing victim here. But trust me, they are no victim, especially given how they are abusing their peering agreements to boost their CDN business. |
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markofmayhemWhy not now?
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said by fifty nine:Level 3 is playing victim here. But trust me, they are no victim, especially given how they are abusing their peering agreements to boost their CDN business.
How are they "abusing"? They are a reseller. Comcast appears, appears, to be congesting alternative ports to leverage their position for higher cost to input direct. That is, if true, the very definition of collusion. |
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said by markofmayhem:said by fifty nine:Level 3 is playing victim here. But trust me, they are no victim, especially given how they are abusing their peering agreements to boost their CDN business.
How are they "abusing"? They are a reseller. They are not a reseller. They are a transit provider and also have a settlement free interconnect agreement with Comcast. Comcast appears, appears, to be congesting alternative ports to leverage their position for higher cost to input direct. That is, if true, the very definition of collusion.
That's what people who want to make Level3 appear to be the innocent party in this will have you believe. Read Comcast's letter to the FCC. It is pretty damning on Level 3's part and so far Level 3 has not disputed any of Comcast's claims. |
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said by WernerSchutz:said by fifty nine:said by WernerSchutz:Using their monopolistic / collusion techniques without restriction, of course.
Of course. And Level 3 is just a saint, aren't they? Compared to CC, yes. Ah yes, the old "comcast is eeeeevil" argument. Never gets old, I see. |
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said by fifty nine:Ah yes, the old "comcast is eeeeevil" argument. Never gets old, I see.
Of course not, because it continues to be. |
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Let me get this straight Level3 is having trouble with a truck???? Sorry   |
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taking something from a nanog post, you can clearly see the Level 3 view and what comcast does to suppress across carriers. It's not wrong, they have their reasons, but if they were a peer they would not have access to these communities.
Community: North_America
Lclprf_100
Level3_Customer # Level 3 thinks they are a customer
United_States
San_Jose
EU_Suppress_to_Peers
Suppress_to_AS174 # Cogent
Suppress_to_AS1239 # Sprint
Suppress_to_AS1280 # ISC
Suppress_to_AS1299 # Telia
Suppress_to_AS1668 # AOL
Suppress_to_AS2828 # XO
Suppress_to_AS2914 # NTT
Suppress_to_AS3257 # TiNet
Suppress_to_AS3320 # DTAG
Suppress_to_AS3549 # GBLX
Suppress_to_AS3561 # Savvis
Suppress_to_AS3786 # LG DACOM
Suppress_to_AS4637 # Reach
Suppress_to_AS5511 # OpenTransit
Suppress_to_AS6453 # Tata
Suppress_to_AS6461 # AboveNet
Suppress_to_AS6762 # Seabone
Suppress_to_AS7018 # AT&T
Suppress_to_AS7132 # AT&T (ex SBC)
So it would appear Comcast is a transit customer of Level 3. There was nothing to abuse. You can argue that comcast didn't want to extend their relationship with Level 3 due to the increase in traffic, but stop with the peering thing. |
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