criggs
join:2000-07-14
New York, NY Reviews:
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| Tweak and Pingable and Windows 7 I was immensely surprised and confused just now to discover that Windows 7 is not included in the operating systems listed in the Tweak Test.
I was also immensely surprised and confused to discover that Windows 7 is not included in the operating systems listed in the Becoming Pingable FAQ.
And there was nothing anywhere to indicate whether DrTCP is functional in Windows 7 either.
Why has Windows 7 been ostracized? Why the total silence in the Tools section of this site with regard to that OS?
Thanks. Looking forward to reading the reasons soon. |
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 Irish SharkPlay Like A Champion TodayPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV
kudos:3 | Vista and Win7 do not have any traditional tweaks like older OS's.
The Doctor and the Tweak test are useless for Vista and Win7 as they are self tweaking. The Doctor and the Tweak test are meaningless. If all fairness, Vista should be deleted from these two utilities.
Making yourself pingable with Vista and Win7 is no different than other older OS's.
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criggs
join:2000-07-14
New York, NY Reviews:
·Sprint Mobile Br..
| said by Irish Shark:Making yourself pingable with Vista and Win7 is no different than other older OS's. So, if I read you correctly, the only utility of these three, the Tweak, the Dr., and the Line Quality, which is still relevant for Windows 7 is the Line Quality test, correct?
Speaking of which, I've had no luck making myself pingable for the purpose of running that test on my Windows XP computer.
I followed the instructions and checkmarked the Allow Incoming Echo Request, but no dice. |
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Irish SharkPlay Like A Champion TodayPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV
kudos:3 | That is correct. The LQT is good for Vista and Win7.
Do you have a router? If so, you also need to open the ICMP (Ping) block.
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criggs
join:2000-07-14
New York, NY Reviews:
·Sprint Mobile Br..
| said by Irish Shark:Do you have a router? If so, you also need to open the ICMP (Ping) block. Nope, no router, just the humble computer and its less humble modem.
This was a few weeks ago. I now have the modem attached to the Windows 7 computer. I went to allow the Echo request, as described on the microsoft site for Windows 7 Firewall, but I was inundated with warnings about that being very dangerous, so I decided it wasn't that important to run the LIne Quality test after all! |
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Irish SharkPlay Like A Champion TodayPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV
kudos:3 | Let Win7 have its hussy fit; you will not break anything.
Disable Defender and allow echo requests on the firewall.
Do you have any other SW firewalls? Avast, Norton, etc.? If so, also allow echo requests there.
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criggs
join:2000-07-14
New York, NY Reviews:
·Sprint Mobile Br..
| said by Irish Shark:Let Win7 have its hussy fit; you will not break anything. Yes, but after I allow that Echo Request, and run my Line Quality test, is it not generally advised that one should go back and disallow the Echo Request, for security reasons?
If that is indeed the case then I, for one, really don't find the thrill of a good Line Quality test sufficient payback for having to go back afterwards into that obscure menu and laboriously undo the Allow Echo Request. Life is short. |
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Irish SharkPlay Like A Champion TodayPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV
kudos:3 | The firewall is still up and functioning. All you are doing is to allow harmless ICMP Pings to go through. You are still secure.
Why would this site tell you to become pingable if it was unsafe?
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criggs
join:2000-07-14
New York, NY Reviews:
·Sprint Mobile Br..
| said by Irish Shark:The firewall is still up and functioning. All you are doing is to allow harmless ICMP Pings to go through. You are still secure.
Why would this site tell you to become pingable if it was unsafe? I don't know. I just know what Microsoft's official position is with regard to this position. Take a look at »technet.microsoft.com/en-us/libr···10).aspx . One paragraph in particular is notably ominous:
"Enabling incoming ICMP Echo messages will allow others to ping your computer. However, it also leaves your computer vulnerable to the types of attacks that use ICMP Echo messages. Therefore, we recommended that you enable the Allow incoming echo request setting temporarily, and then disable it when it is no longer needed."
I'm a complete ignoramus about this stuff. But I figure if Microsoft calls this a dangerous setting which should be avoided long-term then they know what they're talking about. Am I missing something? |
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Irish SharkPlay Like A Champion TodayPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV
kudos:3 | "Therefore, we recommended that you enable the Allow incoming echo request setting temporarily, and then disable it when it is no longer needed. "
MS said the above in your link.
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criggs
join:2000-07-14
New York, NY Reviews:
·Sprint Mobile Br..
| said by Irish Shark:"Therefore, we recommended that you enable the Allow incoming echo request setting temporarily, and then disable it when it is no longer needed. "
MS said the above in your link.
Note that word temporarily. That means that I have to go back in and switch off the Allow Incoming Echo Request when I'm done with the Line Quality test. Not worth the hassle. |
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