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ekster
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Re: [game] Police Tactical Unit - Day 3



GG.. I had a feeling it was Arch, AVD and aztec when Day 2 ended... and had smithfly and navy as suspects in the beginning... but a few other townies diverted the attention elsewhere heh.



DrModem
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The town played this game absolutely disastrously. Most of them didn't much think about what they were doing, and didn't even pay attention. They just let the mafia blatantly herd them from lynch to lynch. It would have gone better if the town had worked together and played smarter:

First off, the forensic analysts both claimed simultaneously when they had uselessly low amounts of letters. They should have waited and gotten more letters before claiming, and they would not have been slaughtered. The only reason Protus didn't die immediately after Kristopher is because ekster was furiously protecting him. As you can see he was targeted twice in a row. Secondly because they didn't wait for more letters, they got confused about their role. Random means random which means the possibility of getting the same letter, multiple times. Had they waited and not jumped the gun, that would have become clear, and so would the fact that the a and the t were different people, not the same person. This key mistake led directly to both the lynch of the last investigator and of Antony. ekster, Krisnatharok and Brom all played it smart: they never claimed or breadloafed at what they were. Antonica and tmod were also playing well, and would have been quite useful had AVD not shot Antonica. Brom was only shot becuase the mafia needed an easy unprotected target to win, and he was the least active. ekster stuck with his protection, which is pretty much the only reason this game ended in day 3 rather than day 2. At the same time as all this, the town was letting themselves just get herded by the mafia to lynches, and not even caring or realizing it, even though it was fairly obvious.

All in all, the town played bad, allowing the mafia to cruise effortlessly to victory. Remember, this is a THINKING GAME.

It was pretty fun to watch though.



aztecnology
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This probably needed to be a bigger game with more people...



DrModem
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Well, I originally had 2 ER doctors, but I decided that might be too unbalanced so I got rid of the second one. Probably a mistake.

The FAs were there to put a clamp on the Hitman. The more he killed, the more of his name they would get. In avd's case all it would have taken was a v and he would have been toast, so he's pretty lucky XD



Kristopher
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If Protus and I got different letters, we would have had AVD and the whole game would have changed. Random.Modem
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ProtusMose
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For those of the TL;DR variety: I screwed it up for everyone.

For that, I am sorry. Are you sure Antony wasn't really on the take? It's like he read, "Excessive arguing as a defense, and other tips for how to overwhelmingly look like mafia." by ProtusMose.



Kristopher
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said by ProtusMose:

For those of the TL;DR variety: I screwed it up for everyone.

No you didn't. If we would have gotten different letters, AVD would have been dead. And I don't completely buy Modem's "random", but have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Antonica
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reply to DrModem

said by DrModem:

The town played this game absolutely disastrously. Most of them didn't much think about what they were doing, and didn't even pay attention. They just let the mafia blatantly herd them from lynch to lynch. It would have gone better if the town had worked together and played smarter:

First off, the forensic analysts both claimed simultaneously when they had uselessly low amounts of letters. They should have waited and gotten more letters before claiming, and they would not have been slaughtered. The only reason Protus didn't die immediately after Kristopher is because ekster was furiously protecting him. As you can see he was targeted twice in a row. Secondly because they didn't wait for more letters, they got confused about their role. Random means random which means the possibility of getting the same letter, multiple times. Had they waited and not jumped the gun, that would have become clear, and so would the fact that the a and the t were different people, not the same person. This key mistake led directly to both the lynch of the last investigator and of Antony. ekster, Krisnatharok and Brom all played it smart: they never claimed or breadloafed at what they were. Antonica and tmod were also playing well, and would have been quite useful had AVD not shot Antonica. Brom was only shot becuase the mafia needed an easy unprotected target to win, and he was the least active. ekster stuck with his protection, which is pretty much the only reason this game ended in day 3 rather than day 2. At the same time as all this, the town was letting themselves just get herded by the mafia to lynches, and not even caring or realizing it, even though it was fairly obvious.

All in all, the town played bad, allowing the mafia to cruise effortlessly to victory. Remember, this is a THINKING GAME.

It was pretty fun to watch though.

#1 - MOD Fail
1a. Unbalanced game with 4 mafia. A game should never be able to be LoL after Day 1.
1b. If Ant is town, and Arch is mafia... I will 100% die on day 1 or night 1. Look at every game that it was that situation, and you will see it. Soon as Arch was mafia and i was town, Something should have been switched instead of linking me to the most powerful role in the game

#2 - Town Fail
2a. See 1b. WTF GUYS I DIED DAY 1, WHO DO YOU THINK IS MAFIA??SDFJ:SDOF :P
2b. Kris needs to stop pushing so much that it forces people to claim. Pushing to get reactions is one thing, pushing to get claims is another.
2c. Protus and exster were the only 2 with half a brain. The new guy doesn't count cause well, he's new and you all should have picked up on that. The A and the T theroy, you guys had 75% chance of lynching a mafia, and you went for the freaking noob. Come on.............................................................

That's my rant, and also now everyone knows why I back out of all the games and won't be playing again. 1b specifically :P Why play if you can't play anyway?
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Kristopher
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I kill you or Arch day 1 if I'm mafia. Y'all know me too well.

Now go sign up for the CG. No fair you missing out on the fun. It's no candle party, but hey......
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AVD
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reply to Kristopher

said by Kristopher:

And I don't completely buy Modem's "random", but have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I thought he did that for balance.
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aztecnology
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said by AVD:

said by Kristopher:

And I don't completely buy Modem's "random", but have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I thought he did that for balance.

But independent forensics should have got a different result, or had a different function...
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AVD
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reply to Antonica

said by Antonica:

2b. Kris needs to stop pushing so much that it forces people to claim. Pushing to get reactions is one thing, pushing to get claims is another.

no offense, but when we are both town, you prosecute me to L-0. You went after Kristopher real hard this game too. (I don't mind dying as long as Kristopher dies next).
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AVD
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reply to aztecnology

said by aztecnology:

said by AVD:

said by Kristopher:

And I don't completely buy Modem's "random", but have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I thought he did that for balance.

But independent forensics should have got a different result, or had a different function...

That was my argument in the game too.
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aztecnology
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said by AVD:

That was my argument in the game too.

That's what really buried us, even withstanding the double kill on day 1, would have changed the game entirely...
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Antonica
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reply to AVD

That was to get him off my ass cause he already forced me to claim, and after my claim he still continued on me.
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Antonica
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reply to AVD

Also I was on Arch from the start, re-read day 1.
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DrModem
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reply to Kristopher

said by Kristopher:

said by ProtusMose:

For those of the TL;DR variety: I screwed it up for everyone.

No you didn't. If we would have gotten different letters, AVD would have been dead. And I don't completely buy Modem's "random", but have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It was random.


Kristopher
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I believe you. Thanks for hosting. Great game!



ProtusMose
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said by Kristopher:

Thanks for hosting. Great game!

Agreed. Loved the format. Some minor role tweaking and I'd love to see this one again.


AVD
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said by ProtusMose:

said by Kristopher:

Thanks for hosting. Great game!

Agreed. Loved the format. Some minor role tweaking and I'd love to see this one again.

you can play the same thing again.
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Krisnatharok
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reply to Antonica

said by Antonica:

#1 - MOD Fail
1a. Unbalanced game with 4 mafia. A game should never be able to be LoL after Day 1.

I am kind of thinking this. We should have had twice the number of town, if the mafia get 1 kill per each day AND night. Or drastically fewer mafia (like, 2).

GG though.
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Antonica
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25% is the normal average.. but it varies depending on roles. 2 would have been too little.
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Krisnatharok
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I dunno, by allowing a hitman to strike each day, you effectively double the number of murders they can carry out. It could have been every other day.. or just simply fewer mafia, or the hitman be called something like "contract sniper" and not know the identity of the other mafia so there's a chance he kills a mafia-member.
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DrModem
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The forensics roles and the enhanced doc were there to directly counter the hitman. Holmes and Watson were there to counter the general power of the mafia, since Holmes could kill any mafia he found and was invulnerable to everything but lynching or Watson dieing. Hypothetically, if Antonica had claimed and ekster just protected her the whole game while remaining undetected, the town could have won without any other help than that.

As stated before, it's pure luck that avd wasn't found out on day one by the dual FA's, seeing as he has a really short name with a unique letter(v).

This is basically the breakdown of power:

Town:
2 investigators, one day and one night
Day investigator shoots any mafia he finds, and is protected by a permadoc
Day and night doc protection
2 people who each receive a letter of a killer's name anytime there is a kill
1 role that receives the results of the FA's and the night investigator, so no result is ever lost.

Mafia:
1 day kill
1 night kill
1 person appears innocent to night investigator but not to day investigator.

I think that's pretty balanced.



Archivis
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reply to Antonica

said by Antonica:

25% is the normal average.. but it varies depending on roles. 2 would have been too little.

I like the 25% idea.
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Antonica
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reply to DrModem

You missed one factor.

I was town.

Arch was mafia.

GG.

Any player/mod should know that by now, i've been bitching about it for a year.
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Antonica
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linked characters are dumb... if their roles are linked thats one thing, but the "if one dies you both die" bullshit sucks. Unless you are mafia, then it's a free win.
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AVD
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said by Antonica:

linked characters are dumb... if their roles are linked thats one thing, but the "if one dies you both die" bullshit sucks. Unless you are mafia, then it's a free win.

not in crazy games
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