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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Four posted : PS3 erk Code poetry FTW.<br><br>I think I've seen some that are based on the Master Key. <br><br>Edit: I just updated my sig. to include that code. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[OZO posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/906825" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=906825');">DownTheShore</a>:</said><p>It's a variation on the intellectual rights argument - the seller has the right forever to dictate the use of the object.  The same argument is being used by some to say you can't break DRM on an ebook that you've purchased in order to be able to read the book on your own various ereaders, nevermind that you're not going to upload it anywhere.<br><br>Apparently we don't actually own anything we buy anymore; we just permanently lease the item - whatever it is. :uhh:<br></p></div>The seller has <b>no</b> right to dictate the use of the object. Any rights are forfeited at the moment the transaction occurs. Since then the object is not in the seller's possession anymore. Sony may want whatever their fantasy can go, but when it becomes lawfully in the customer's possession - it's not their business anymore.<br><br>Don't like how the customer is going to use it - don't sell it...<br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Four posted : It's on Slashdot now, and there's a comment there that has all of the jailbreak code in it. Sony's got a major Streisand Effect backlash coming to them over it. This is proving to be quite similar in effect to that of the AACS key debacle (the one that began with 09 F9, and provoked a near revolt on Digg after they tried to remove all mention of it).<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/02/08/0433217/Sony-Lawyers-Expand-Dragnet-Targeting-Anybody-Posting-PS3-Hack" >games.slashdot.org/story/11/02/0&middot;&middot;&middot;PS3-Hack</A><br><br>Sony seems to think they can make all mention of the code go away with legal threats; I have two words in response to that: EPIC FAIL!<br><br>And they're getting it on both ends - LG has filed a complaint with the US International Trade Commission, claiming the PS3 violates 4 of their Blu-Ray patents, and they want sales of it to be banned in the US: &raquo;<A HREF="http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/02/08/1320256/LG-Wants-PlayStation-3-Banned-From-US-Market" >games.slashdot.org/story/11/02/0&middot;&middot;&middot;S-Market</A><br><small>--<br>"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[VikingBob posted : Add me to the Sony Boycotters list, please...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Four posted : An update on this story: Sony has expanded its dragnet to send DMCA notices to anyone who posts the hack online, and to this end, they are asking Google for IP addresses of those who posted comments to a private Youtube video detailing the hack. <br><br>Only trouble is, it's spread online way beyond the original release by George Hotz, and the failed attempt to stop people posting the code may soon rival that of the AACS key.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/02/sony-lawsuit-factory/" >www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/0&middot;&middot;&middot;factory/</A><br><br>Incidentally, that code has already been posted a couple of times in that Wired article - if it hits Digg or Slashdot, all hell will break loose.<br><small>--<br>"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Four posted : Despite this seeming win over George Hotz, Sony is in fact fighting a losing battle over the PS3. The hackers now have the console squarely in their sights.<br><br>And most recently, Sony sent a DMCA takedown notice to Github demanding the removal of 6 repositories related to PS3 jailbreaking:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/01/30/0330257/Sony-Sends-DMCA-Takedown-Notice-To-GitHub" >hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/0&middot;&middot;&middot;o-GitHub</A><br><br>The Streisand Effect is kicking in as mirrors have already been set up containing the information. Plus I have no doubt it is on torrent sites by now.<br><small>--<br>"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/700992" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=700992');">Trel</a>:</SMALL><HR>Don't feel sorry for them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>I don't do, please watch the word <i>almost</>  :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Trel posted : Don't feel sorry for them.<br>This is like watching two people play a game of chess.  One cheats, but the other guy still wins.  Upon losing, the cheater pulls a gun on the fair player.  Then a third guy comes in an slaps the cheater, all while the gun is still on the fair player.<br><small>--<br>/chown -R us:us /yourbase</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted : <b>Sony successful in bid against PS3 hacker George Hotz / Just released PS3 security update already hacked</b><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR><b>PS3 hacker gets restraining order</b><br>MCV - 28th January 2011<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42765/PS3-hacker-gets-restraining-order" >www.mcvuk.com/news/42765/PS3-hac&middot;&middot;&middot;ng-order</A><br><br>George &#145;geohot&#146; Hotz has been issued a temporary restraining order preventing him from distributing PS3 homebrew software.<br><br>The judge granted Sony its request for the order which was submitted earlier this month.<br><br>Court documents <A HREF="http://psx-scene.com/forums/cmps_index.php" >published by PSX Scene</A> read: &#147;The court finds that SCEA has shown a likelihood of success on the merits of its claims for violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and that it will suffer irreparable harm unless defendant Hotz&#146;s violations are enjoined.<br><br>&#147;The court also finds that a temporary restraining order and order of impoundment are necessary to prevent immediate and irreparable injury to SCEA, before the hearing on the order regarding the preliminary injunction can take pace, and to preserve the status quo.&#148;<br><br>The news comes as Sony issues firmware update 3.56 over PSN which includes a new PS3 security update. However, this has already been hacked. <i>[see next article in this reply - SB]</i><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>Well Sony can be opinion they won, however factual they lose again. PS3 firmware update 3.56 was already hacked on 28th January 2011, just hours after going live; details how to bypass the PS3 update are public available:<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR><b>PS3 security update already hacked</b><br>MCV - 28th January 2011<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42770/PS3-security-update-already-hacked" >www.mcvuk.com/news/42770/PS3-sec&middot;&middot;&middot;y-hacked</A><br><br>Sony&#146;s latest PS3 firmware update has already been overcome by hackers just hours after going live.<br><br>As mentioned in the news story about Sony winning a restraining order against George Hotz, the platform holder launched firmware update 3.56 on PSN last night. The patch adds a new security update.<br><br>However Edge is reporting that Wii hacker Youness Alaoui claims to have already bypassed the new PS3 update in order to upload homebrew software. He published the <A HREF="http://twitter.com/KaKaRoToKS" >details on his Twitter page</A>.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>I almost feel pity for Sony. <i>Almost...</i><br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br><i>* Site Member ASAP - Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals</i><br><i>* Site Member AQMRB - Alliance of Qualified Malware Removal Boards</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : Sony: "like no other". Let us certainly hope so...  :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Lagz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/825088" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=825088');">ObdH</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/928459" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=928459');">salzan</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>+4 <br><br>I do everything I can to avoid Sony now.<br> </p></div>+5... someone should email a few people at sony this thread to show em why their stock is down!<br> </p></div>+6 or 7 or whatever it is. <br><small>--<br>To talk much and arrive nowhere is the same as climbing a tree to catch a fish.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[goalieskates posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>Me either.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/1578887" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578887');">KodiacZiller</a>:</SMALL><HR>Thanks for the article, Smokey.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>You're welcome.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>And this really is the crux of the whole DRM and TPM stuff.  TPM itself has a couple of advantages, but its potential abuses <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html">far outweigh</a> the advantages.<br> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>Here I have to thank YOU.  :)<br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br><i>* Site Member ASAP - Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals</i><br><i>* Site Member AQMRB - Alliance of Qualified Malware Removal Boards</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1164597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1164597');">JBear</a>:</said><p>Well unfortunately gaming consoles for now have to be locked down in regards to the online community. How much is it going to suck that some one is racing around in a 1000hp Daihautsui Midget in GT5 or enable god mode or flying in a first person shooter? I remember having to leave rooms in Socom 2 just because someone was bored and decided to ruin a few games.<br> </p></div>this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Computers are not locked down and make excellent multiplayer platforms.<br><small>--<br>Standard disclaimers apply.<br><i>Atomic batteries to power. Turbines to speed.</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[JBear posted : Well unfortunately gaming consoles for now have to be locked down in regards to the online community. How much is it going to suck that some one is racing around in a 1000hp Daihautsui Midget in GT5 or enable god mode or flying in a first person shooter? I remember having to leave rooms in Socom 2 just because someone was bored and decided to ruin a few games.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[coldmoon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1164597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1164597');">JBear</a>:</said><p>example?<br> </p></div>Wish I had one... Doesn't invalidate the potential for one to emerge however...<br><br>JMHO<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.returnil.com">Returnil</a> - 21st Century body armor for your PC</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/156437" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=156437');">dave</a>:</said><p>  If I want to buy a PS3 and use it as a doorstop, I can do that.  Right?<br> </p></div>Depends what your license agreement with SONY says, right?<br><small>--<br>Standard disclaimers apply.<br><i>Atomic batteries to power. Turbines to speed.</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[coldmoon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1164597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1164597');">JBear</a>:</said><p>While I agree with what most of you are saying, this is going to suck for the online gaming community... :(. <br> </p></div>Or open the door for a more liberal product vendor who can provide a similar level of quality without the restrictions...<br><br>Just a thought<br>Mike<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.returnil.com">Returnil</a> - 21st Century body armor for your PC</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[KodiacZiller posted : Thanks for the article, Smokey.<br><br>Here's the most pertinent line in it that really gets to the heart of the matter:<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Simply put, Sony claims that it's illegal for users to access their own computers in a way that Sony doesn't like. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>And that's the bottom line.  DRM technology is all about preventing you, the owner, from tinkering with software and hardware you have bought.  They don't want you to "own" it, but would rather have you to rent it.  It would be akin to a car company saying you must never open the hood to examine the engine.  If you're a car enthusiast you must never modify its engine for more horsepower, or even change the spark plugs.  Nope, you must use it "as is" in the way they want you to.<br><br>And this really is the crux of the whole DRM and TPM stuff.  TPM itself has a couple of advantages, but its potential abuses <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html">far outweigh</a> the advantages.<br><small>--<br>Getting people to stop using windows is more or less the same as trying to get people to stop smoking tobacco products. They dont want to change; they are happy with slowly dying inside. -- munky99999</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Selenia posted : Somebody needs to stop these wankers. I have purchased 0 Sony games, especially for my ps3, since they removed the Linux option. My existing ps3 simply does streaming, these days. Adding this topic to my anti-Sony sig.<br><small>--<br>The new Sony rootkit-Using the ability to remove features you paid for. What's next? Boycott Sony products &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r24026325-Rant-ps3-update-no-more-Linux">[Rant] ps3 update = no more Linux</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dave posted : Way to go!  You managed to introduce your one-and-only topic of discussion into a DMCA topic! Nice work.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[antdude posted : Did Sony put any rootkits on blank discs too?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I think Sony feels it's operating under Feudal Land Title--the concept that you can only rent hardware--whether it be your home, your Playstation, or a key to a post office box. In reality, it's consumer fraud to say that you are 'selling' a Playstation, a house, or anything else that someone else is claiming feudal ownership of. So Sony's moral stand on this is tenuous at best.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DannyZ posted : Even blu-ray. For the most part I don't watch movies.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ObdH posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/928459" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=928459');">salzan</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>+4 <br><br>I do everything I can to avoid Sony now.<br> </p></div>+5... someone should email a few people at sony this thread to show em why their stock is down!<br><small>--<br>I got it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Stojko posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/401196" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=401196');">pandora</a>:</said><p>I've had PS3's for years, and there used to be an option to install another OS on them. I don't know if Sony removed that option. To the best of my recollection the openness of the Sony PS3 was a feature that was at least mentioned at the time. There were some articles about people who used Linux with PS3's to work on some scientific problems. Sony seemed to encourage that at the time.<br><br>Did Sony remove the install Linux feature on all PS3's? Including PS3's that initially had that feature?<br> </p></div>If you upgrade your firmware past a certain point (which is required for most new games, etc) then it disables the "Install other OS" option on the old 'fat' PS3s. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[pandora posted : I've had PS3's for years, and there used to be an option to install another OS on them. I don't know if Sony removed that option. To the best of my recollection the openness of the Sony PS3 was a feature that was at least mentioned at the time. There were some articles about people who used Linux with PS3's to work on some scientific problems. Sony seemed to encourage that at the time.<br><br>Did Sony remove the install Linux feature on all PS3's? Including PS3's that initially had that feature?<br><small>--<br>"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DownTheShore posted : It's a variation on the intellectual rights argument - the seller has the right forever to dictate the use of the object.  The same argument is being used by some to say you can't break DRM on an ebook that you've purchased in order to be able to read the book on your own various ereaders, nevermind that you're not going to upload it anywhere.<br><br>Apparently we don't actually own anything we buy anymore; we just permanently lease the item - whatever it is. :uhh:<br><small>--<br><i>Patriotism is not waving a flag, it is living the ideals<br><br>I want to retire to the Isle of Sodor and ride the trains.<br><br></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[longgone posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1298784" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1298784');">CCat</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>+1<br> </p></div>+++++5<br><br>Haven't purchased anything since an old 21" Trinitron Tube TV.<br><br>Most consumers and computer users don't know what a rootkit is! But maybe if they were to be well informed, then just maybe they might feel the same as those in here. :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[salzan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>+4 <br><br>I do everything I can to avoid Sony now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Timmn posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/306455" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=306455');">jaynick</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1298784" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1298784');">CCat</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>+1<br> </p></div>+2<br> </p></div>+3]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[VikingBob posted : Sony just doesn't get it... You would think a lesson would have been learned back in the VHS vs. Beta Wars... Quit being so #!$@ing greedy...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Four posted : A san Francisco judge has told Sony to prove they have jurisdiction over Hotz, who lives in NJ. And even what with Sony's attempts at abusing the DMCA and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, the information on this is out there and widespread. Sony, meet Streisand Effect.<br><small>--<br>"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jaynick posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1298784" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1298784');">CCat</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>+1<br> </p></div>+2]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CCat posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/855835" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=855835');">CajunTek</a>:</said><p>And why I haven't bought anything produced by Sony since the rootkit scandal...<br> </p></div>+1<br><small>--<br><b><i>I Live In My Own World, But It's OK.....They Know Me There.</i></b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <a href="/profile/156437" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=156437');">dave</a>:</SMALL><HR>If you buy the hardware, you should be able to do whatever you want with it.  I don't see this as related to the usual discussion of sofware rights: hardware is very definitely an object that belongs, after payment, to the purchaser.  If I want to buy a PS3 and use it as a doorstop, I can do that.  Right?<br> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>Right. However, as usual, Sony's wicked mind see it different. Remember the Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal  and after Mark Russinovich posted an article about the rootkit, Sony BMG released a removal program that merely unmasked the hidden files installed by the rootkit, but did not actually remove the rootkit? It's obvious Sony solely produced crap in the past and till today didn't changed their arrogant, ignorant and intolerable attitude.<br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br><i>* Site Member ASAP - Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals</i><br><i>* Site Member AQMRB - Alliance of Qualified Malware Removal Boards</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dave posted : I don't understand even why Sony has any legal right to prevent purchasers of hardware from running whatever software they want on the hardware they own.<br><br>If you buy the hardware, you should be able to do whatever you want with it.  I don't see this as related to the usual discussion of sofware rights: hardware is very definitely an object that belongs, after payment, to the purchaser.  If I want to buy a PS3 and use it as a doorstop, I can do that.  Right?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted : Electronic Frontier Foundation | January 19th, 2011<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/sony-v-hotz-sony-sends-dangerous-message" >www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/so&middot;&middot;&middot;-message</A><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>For years, EFF has been warning that the anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act can be used to chill speech, particularly security research, because legitimate researchers will be afraid to publish their results lest they be accused of circumventing a technological protection measure. We've also been concerned that the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act could be abused to try to make alleged contract violations into crimes.<br><br>We've never been sorrier to be right. These two things are precisely what's happening in Sony v. Hotz. If you have missed this one, Sony has <A HREF="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/playstation3-hack-lawsuit/" >sued several security researchers</A> for publishing information about security holes in Sony&#146;s PlayStation 3. At first glance, it's hard to see why Sony is bothering &#151; after all, the research was presented three weeks ago at the Chaos Communication Congress and promptly circulated around the world. The security flaws discovered by the researchers allow users to run Linux on their machines again &#151; something Sony used to support but recently started trying to prevent. Paying lawyers to try to put the cat back in the bag is just throwing good money after bad. And even if they won &#151; we'll save the legal analysis for another post &#151; the defendants seem unlikely to be able to pay significant damages. So what's the point?<br><br>The real point, it appears, is to send a message to security researchers around the world: publish the details of our security flaws and <A HREF="https://www.eff.org/files/Sony_Complaint.PDF" >we'll come after you</A> with both barrels blazing. For example, Sony <A HREF="https://www.eff.org/files/Sony_Motion_For_TRO.pdf" >has asked the court</A> to immediately impound all "circumvention devices" &#151; which it defines to include not only the defendants' computers, but also all "instructions," i.e., their research and findings. Given that the research results Sony presumably cares about are available online, granting the order would mean that everyone except the researchers themselves would have access to their work. <br><br>Not content with the DMCA hammer, Sony is also bringing a slew of <A HREF="http://volokh.com/2011/01/13/todays-award-for-the-lawyer-who-has-advocated-the-silliest-theory-of-the-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act/" >outrageous Computer Fraud and Abuse Act claims</A>. The basic gist of Sony's argument is that the researchers accessed their own PlayStation 3 consoles in a way that violated the agreement that Sony imposes on users of its network (and supposedly enabled others to do the same). But the researchers don't seem to have used Sony's network in their research &#151; they just used the consoles they bought with their own money. Simply put, Sony claims that it's illegal for users to access their own computers in a way that Sony doesn't like. Moreover, because the CFAA has criminal as well as civil penalties, Sony is actually saying that it's a crime for users to access their own computers in a way that Sony doesn't like.<br><br><i>That means Sony is sending another dangerous message: that it has rights in the computer it sells you even after you buy it, and therefore can decide whether your tinkering with that computer is legal or not. We disagree. Once you buy a computer, it's yours. It shouldn't be a crime for you to access your own computer, regardless of whether Sony or any other company likes what you're doing.</i><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>The never ending Sony story: they will never learn from the BS performed in the past, probably they feel covered by their slogan: It's a Sony <i>(once and forever)</i>.<br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br><i>* Site Member ASAP - Alliance of Security Analysis Professionals</i><br><i>* Site Member AQMRB - Alliance of Qualified Malware Removal Boards</i></small>]]></description>
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