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2010-803 decision: 2011-44

15% discount on UBB rates applies to both Bell and Cable who must update their tariffs.

Re: 2010-803 decision: 2010-44

I was concerned about CRTC issuing 803 this week. But now that it is out, I am a bit less worried about what is coming next.

What is being implemented here is the 2010-255 decision. In essence, the CRTC is varrying the 802 decision to add a discount. 2010-255 had the 25% discount, 2010-802 removed the discount.

Other aspects of 255 and 802 stand. This is the 60gigs/$1.50-gig/$30 max rates (with the $1.00 after 300 gigs starting march 1, this was included as an official notification to ISPs in december).

Bell Canada polls your usage numbers from its BAS routers at 03:00 every day. So if you are to calculate your own usage to compare, you need your cutoff to be at 03:00 on the 1st of every month.

Bell's 7293 tariffs (with the different rates for nontario and qwobec are not in force, the CRTC has not made a decision on those yet).

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reply to jfmezei
15 % is still a very low margin...

Also I fail to see how applying a discount from the retail offering of ILEC can be reconciliated with this paragraph, in the same decision :

The Commission notes that carriers’ retail UBB rates are market-based and are not subject to prior Commission approval – that is, they are forborne from regulation. The Commission also notes that the flat-rate component of the carriers’ retail Internet service rates recovers most, if not all, of the associated retail UBB costs. In the Commission’s view, this situation provides carriers with the flexibility to adjust or waive retail UBB rates on a promotional basis.

For me it means that they cannot regulate the retail offerings of ILEC, but at the same time they are forcing all wholeesalers to use those rate as a base for their own retail offerings, which is regulating retail rates...

Personally im not optimistic for 803 with this decision.

reply to GNca George
So by March 1st all ISPs must inform their customers on the new tarrifs/limits etc?

reply to Cyborg994
The more flaws there are in a decision, the greater the odds of a greater power up there overturning them. Remember that CNOC is expected to fiel a petition to Governor in Council tomorrow.

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reply to adehoops
Seems like it. So legally in Quebec they must do it withing 6 days to respect the 30 days legal limit on service change notification...

reply to jfmezei
thank God, so will it be official tomorrow? and what happens next? crtc must put their 803 decision on hold or what?

The more flaws there are in a decision, the greater the odds of a greater power up there overturning them. Remember that CNOC is expected to fiel a petition to Governor in Council tomorrow.

thank God, so will it be official tomorrow? and what happens next? crtc must put their 803 decision on hold or what?

reply to jfmezei
thank God, so will it be official tomorrow? and what happens next? crtc must put their 803 decision on hold or what?

reply to jfmezei
In the Commission’s view, this situation provides carriers with the flexibility to adjust or waive retail UBB rates on a promotional basis. - from paragraph 9 that I already quoted.

This is the Grand Canyon of loopholes in favor of the ILEC. Anything flagged as promotional can be done, including waiving all UBB charges, introducing "promotional" 1$ / 200 GB of usage insurance fees...

This is probably another base for an appeal. So if an appeal is done, this decision is a gold mine of inconsistencies and contradictions.

So i'll agree it's a good decision just for that

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reply to GNca George
Bell getting THEIR Next Generation Network they wanted, leaving all indies in the dust... >.>

reply to jfmezei
Well, this is definitely a win. Not as big of a win as many here would have liked, but still a win. It rolls back some of the changes made since 2010-255, and show some signs of awareness on the part of the CRTC.

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