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Today's Update from Karl Bode (DSLR)

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»Canada Sees Usage Billing Broadband Backlash


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NetFlix's Reaction to 2011-44

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NETFLIX Finally Wakes Up & Weighs In !

»www.winnipegfreepress.com/life/s ··· 229.html

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ··· lous.ars

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Hastings [NetFlix's CEO] also criticized the prices being charged to users that exceed their download caps.

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Internet users have largely sided with Netflix's view of the situation. - They rebelled when Time Warner Cable tested low data caps and overage fees, eventually forcing the company to reverse course, and they're currently protesting so loudly in Canada that the government regulator has had to take some action. - But when ISPs have set huge caps, like Comcast's 250GB limit, few complaints have arisen.

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It will be pretty sad if they have to also pay the trolls that control the bridges to Canada's version of the internet. Bell's dream multi-tiered internet access where you pay the troll when you cross the bridge coming or going.


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NETFLIX Finally Wakes Up & Weighs In !

»www.winnipegfreepress.com/life/s ··· 229.html

In a letter to investors, he said it costs ISPs about a penny per gigabyte of data traffic — and that cost is decreasing. He said overage data charged at $1 per gigabyte is "grossly overpriced." Meanwhile, Canada's largest ISP's typically charge twice that amount and sometimes more.

"Hopefully we can work with the different consumer groups and providers and get a better costing structure," Hastings said in the conference call, "more in the one-penny range or (plans) bundled in with a much higher cap."


hehe Bell will set Mr. Hastings straight and show him a gig is really 4.50$ and that the wild and crazy low price of 2.50$/gig is a great deal!

It's clear to me Mr. Hastings does not realize the true cost on internal B/W before it even hits the internet.


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It will be pretty sad if they have to also pay the trolls that control the bridges to Canada's version of the internet.

Bell's dream multi-tiered internet access where you pay the troll when you cross the bridge coming or going.

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So that would make them 'Troll Bridges', right ?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
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Re: NetFlix's Reaction to 2011-44

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So that would make them 'Troll Bridges', right ?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

That's right.
»homepage.mac.com/dunestrider/Adv ··· roll.jpg
That's no beaver in a booth saying "Welcome to Canada" .


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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

Has anybody else noticed that the Globe seems much more critical of UBB now that they're not owned by CTVgm?
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Not so much an article, but NDP MP Tony Martin put out a press release against UBB

»www.sootoday.com/content/news/fu ··· er=50544


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Financial post today
»business.financialpost.com/2011/ ··· -future/


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Not sure what all is going on but George Stroumboulopoulos has something going on with stop the meter

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First french coverage ! And from a major newpaper (not own by Quebecor, obviously).

»technaute.cyberpresse.ca/nouvell ··· RAN1POS1


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CBC today, on JF's petition to the GiC.

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011 ··· zei.html


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said by corster:

Has anybody else noticed that the Globe seems much more critical of UBB now that they're not owned by CTVgm?

Did I miss a memo??? Who owns the Globe now? I still thought it was ctvgm....


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Did I miss a memo??? Who owns the Globe now? I still thought it was ctvgm....

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There was some share-shuffling when BCE bought CTV, likely for BCE to abide by the bare minimum of competition laws, such that BCE still has (I think) a minority stake in the Globe and in some others which were previously in that bundle.

Details ? - Not sure....


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said by corster:

Has anybody else noticed that the Globe seems much more critical of UBB now that they're not owned by CTVgm?

Did I miss a memo??? Who owns the Globe now? I still thought it was ctvgm....

85% of the globe was sold back to the Thomson family, BCE (through CTVgm) is holding on to a 15% minority stake but no longer has management control.
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said by corster:

said by nitzguy:

said by corster:

Has anybody else noticed that the Globe seems much more critical of UBB now that they're not owned by CTVgm?

Did I miss a memo??? Who owns the Globe now? I still thought it was ctvgm....

85% of the globe was sold back to the Thomson family, BCE (through CTVgm) is holding on to a 15% minority stake but no longer has management control.

Ahhh....The Thomson's....this makes sense because at this point in Canadian Media there aren't many companies who could have afforded to take this on.
Thanks for the info corster, greatly appreciated. It'll be nice to see a more objective viewpoint with the Globe and I may start reading it more than my Star/Sun combination that I read now.


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said by nitzguy:

Did I miss a memo??? Who owns the Globe now? I still thought it was ctvgm....

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There was some share-shuffling when BCE bought CTV, likely for BCE to abide by the bare minimum of competition laws, such that BCE still has (I think) a minority stake in the Globe and in some others which were previously in that bundle.

Details ? - Not sure....

Globe still has very slanted reporting as does CTV. And yes Bell still has stake in Globe.


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Ahhh....The Thomson's....this makes sense because at this point in Canadian Media there aren't many companies who could have afforded to take this on.
Thanks for the info corster, greatly appreciated. It'll be nice to see a more objective viewpoint with the Globe and I may start reading it more than my Star/Sun combination that I read now.

Deal closed last week or the week before... if you go on CTVgm's corporate site, you'll notice that there's no mention of the globe anymore other than in their corporate name, rather a giant empty space next to the CHUM logo where the Globe logo used to be, and on the G&M's site all the CTVglobemedia credits at the bottom are gone.
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Speaking of CTV....

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Look what the CAT just dragged in !

(or was it the Beaver ?)

CTV has FINALLY escaped (owner) BHell's Throttle, it seems, and here's their article about CRTC decision 2011-44 :

»swo.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVN ··· =SWOHome

And HOLY NEUTRALITY, BATMAN, the story seems unbiased !

(and includes a quote from Rocky)


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Vancouver Sun's Followup

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This is an editorial, but is still worthy of reading, IMNSHO.

»www.vancouversun.com/Opinion+Usa ··· ory.html

It mentions some not so crazy rates which Telus currently charges their own end-users/customers for Internet.
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For example, Telus is offering plans ranging from 13 gigabytes per month for a bundled price of $20, to 250 GB per month for $50.

I would not be offended at paying $50 for 250GB UNTHROTTLED usage per month, as long as any overage charges were fair and reasonable, cost-based and linear.

And correct me if wrong, but even this latest CRTC decision 2011-44 does not FORCE the other incumbent ISPs (such as Telus) to set low monthly caps, nor to charge any UBB at all - it only blesses BHell's plan to screw us thru THEIR Indie ISP partners, and recommends that the other incumbents submit tariffs if they wish to hop onto the BHell/CRTC bandwagon.


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Another Vancouver Sun Article

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This was published before the above posted article :

»www.vancouversun.com/technology/ ··· ory.html


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George Strombo's Reaction to 2011-44

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HIGH GREED INTERNET ! - ROFLMAO !

HE gets it - Talks a bit fast, but he covers what matters.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUsRCyS ··· sRCyS6PU


»www.strombo.com

»www.cbc.ca/strombo/

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HIGH GREED INTERNET ! - ROFLMAO !

HE gets it - Talks a bit fast, but he covers what matters.

You could tell that he's not reading a script, maybe just reading notes. But it looks like he's got a good idea of what's going on.

And is this the first time someone has called UBB "Bullshit" on TV?

EDIT: Good thing he's not with Much Music (aka BHell Music So You Think You Can Dance 24/7) anymore

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Re: Another Vancouver Sun Article

And another...I don't know where they get some of these columnists...
»www.vancouversun.com/columnists/ ··· ory.html


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Re: Vancouver Sun's Followup

said by Davesnothere:

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And correct me if wrong, but even this latest CRTC decision 2011-44 does not FORCE the other incumbent ISPs (such as Telus) to set low monthly caps, nor to charge any UBB at all - it only blesses BHell's plan to screw us thru THEIR Indie ISP partners, and recommends that the other incumbents submit tariffs if they wish to hop onto the BHell/CRTC bandwagon.

Does not force the incumbents to do anything, but allows the incumbents to enforce UBB on wholesalers who use their networks, matching their published UBB caps, EVEN if they waive or discount their retail UBB.
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Does not force the incumbents to do anything, but allows the incumbents to enforce UBB on wholesalers who use their networks, matching their published UBB caps, EVEN if they waive or discount their retail UBB.

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So it looks like you agree with what I said.

My thrust was that Telus, for example, does not HAVE to levy ANY form of UBB on ANYBODY because of CRTC Decision 2011-44, if they should choose to take the 'High Road' on this.

Depending on how this plays out, some of the other incumbents may well (by their actions) break ranks with Bell on making their own form of UBB into BHell's warped flavour of the beast.

Splitting the incumbents along ideological business models could benefit our cause, and so I say that us LOBBYING the OTHER incumbents to be fair and reasonable about UBB, well (like vitamins) it could not hurt and MIGHT help.

So let the lobbying begin !


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Re: George Strombo's Reaction to 2011-44

said by grunze510:

You could tell that he's not reading a script, maybe just reading notes. But it looks like he's got a good idea of what's going on.

And is this the first time someone has called UBB "Bullshit" on TV ? ....

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George is a smart cookie.

What I would REALLY like to hear him call UBB is BHellShit !

And then after the fact apologize and withdraw the comment, like lawyers do in court in TV crime dramas.


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Links to JF's UBB Submissions

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Here's the link to the 'STAY' application which JF filed today with the CRTC (against all UBB-related CRTC decisions beginning with 2010-255, and against Bell's several UBB-related tariff apps) :

»/r0/download/1 ··· tter.pdf

And this link is for his Petition to the GiC to overturn the CRTC UBB decision(s), filed on the 26th :

»/r0/download/1 ··· tion.pdf

Please keep any comments about them in this thread SHORT, and put the longer ones in another thread.

BTW, there is a major thread already for the GiC Petition :

»Petition to the Governor in Council against UBB


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Reactions to JF's UBB Submissions

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Here are some responses to JF's GiC Petition to Quash UBB, and/or to his CRTC motion to 'STAY' BHell's UBB proposals :

Followup motion to CRTC from Electronic Box (Indie ISP, aka eBox) to support JF Mezei's Stay of Execution motion (and regarding marketplace confusion of the most recent 'status quo').

»/r0/download/1 ··· tion.pdf

Article by CBC (yesterday) :

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011 ··· zei.html

Article by Financial Post (yesterday) :

»business.financialpost.com/2011/ ··· -future/

Article by Mark Goldberg (today) :

»mhgoldberg.com/blog/?p=4314

This latest GLOBE/CTV article includes an interview with JF near the end :

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec ··· 1887223/

»www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/sta ··· 223.html

CTV seems to have gotten it from the Globe.