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Vancouver Sun's Followup

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This is an editorial, but is still worthy of reading, IMNSHO.

»www.vancouversun.com/Opinion+Usa···ory.html

It mentions some not so crazy rates which Telus currently charges their own end-users/customers for Internet.

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For example, Telus is offering plans ranging from 13 gigabytes per month for a bundled price of $20, to 250 GB per month for $50.

I would not be offended at paying $50 for 250GB UNTHROTTLED usage per month, as long as any overage charges were fair and reasonable, cost-based and linear.

And correct me if wrong, but even this latest CRTC decision 2011-44 does not FORCE the other incumbent ISPs (such as Telus) to set low monthly caps, nor to charge any UBB at all - it only blesses BHell's plan to screw us thru THEIR Indie ISP partners, and recommends that the other incumbents submit tariffs if they wish to hop onto the BHell/CRTC bandwagon.


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Another Vancouver Sun Article

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This was published before the above posted article :

»www.vancouversun.com/technology/···ory.html



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George Strombo's Reaction to 2011-44

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HIGH GREED INTERNET ! - ROFLMAO !

HE gets it - Talks a bit fast, but he covers what matters.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUsRCyS6PU


»www.strombo.com

»www.cbc.ca/strombo/

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Re: George Strombo's Reaction

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HIGH GREED INTERNET ! - ROFLMAO !

HE gets it - Talks a bit fast, but he covers what matters.

You could tell that he's not reading a script, maybe just reading notes. But it looks like he's got a good idea of what's going on.

And is this the first time someone has called UBB "Bullshit" on TV?

EDIT: Good thing he's not with Much Music (aka BHell Music So You Think You Can Dance 24/7) anymore

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Re: Another Vancouver Sun Article

And another...I don't know where they get some of these columnists...
»www.vancouversun.com/columnists/···ory.html



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Re: Vancouver Sun's Followup

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And correct me if wrong, but even this latest CRTC decision 2011-44 does not FORCE the other incumbent ISPs (such as Telus) to set low monthly caps, nor to charge any UBB at all - it only blesses BHell's plan to screw us thru THEIR Indie ISP partners, and recommends that the other incumbents submit tariffs if they wish to hop onto the BHell/CRTC bandwagon.

Does not force the incumbents to do anything, but allows the incumbents to enforce UBB on wholesalers who use their networks, matching their published UBB caps, EVEN if they waive or discount their retail UBB.
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Save Canadian Internet - StopUBB.ca


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Does not force the incumbents to do anything, but allows the incumbents to enforce UBB on wholesalers who use their networks, matching their published UBB caps, EVEN if they waive or discount their retail UBB.

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So it looks like you agree with what I said.

My thrust was that Telus, for example, does not HAVE to levy ANY form of UBB on ANYBODY because of CRTC Decision 2011-44, if they should choose to take the 'High Road' on this.

Depending on how this plays out, some of the other incumbents may well (by their actions) break ranks with Bell on making their own form of UBB into BHell's warped flavour of the beast.

Splitting the incumbents along ideological business models could benefit our cause, and so I say that us LOBBYING the OTHER incumbents to be fair and reasonable about UBB, well (like vitamins) it could not hurt and MIGHT help.

So let the lobbying begin !


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Re: George Strombo's Reaction to 2011-44

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You could tell that he's not reading a script, maybe just reading notes. But it looks like he's got a good idea of what's going on.

And is this the first time someone has called UBB "Bullshit" on TV ? ....

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George is a smart cookie.

What I would REALLY like to hear him call UBB is BHellShit !

And then after the fact apologize and withdraw the comment, like lawyers do in court in TV crime dramas.


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Links to JF's UBB Submissions

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Here's the link to the 'STAY' application which JF filed today with the CRTC (against all UBB-related CRTC decisions beginning with 2010-255, and against Bell's several UBB-related tariff apps) :

»/r0/download/1···tter.pdf

And this link is for his Petition to the GiC to overturn the CRTC UBB decision(s), filed on the 26th :

»/r0/download/1···tion.pdf

Please keep any comments about them in this thread SHORT, and put the longer ones in another thread.

BTW, there is a major thread already for the GiC Petition :

»Petition to the Governor in Council against UBB



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Reactions to JF's UBB Submissions

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Here are some responses to JF's GiC Petition to Quash UBB, and/or to his CRTC motion to 'STAY' BHell's UBB proposals :

Followup motion to CRTC from Electronic Box (Indie ISP, aka eBox) to support JF Mezei's Stay of Execution motion (and regarding marketplace confusion of the most recent 'status quo').

»/r0/download/1···tion.pdf

Article by CBC (yesterday) :

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011···zei.html

Article by Financial Post (yesterday) :

»business.financialpost.com/2011/···-future/

Article by Mark Goldberg (today) :

»mhgoldberg.com/blog/?p=4314

This latest GLOBE/CTV article includes an interview with JF near the end :

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1887223/

»www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/sta···223.html

CTV seems to have gotten it from the Globe.



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UBB piece on CTV Lloyd Show

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The CTV 11:00 National News has a segment on UBB tonight.



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from CTV National News - 2011 Jan 28(29)

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhUIkkZG4PQ


Thanks to Jman99 for posting the clip.

As I suspected, it came online at CTV.ca's video archive some time after the broadcast was completed, but your way was easier.

The content of the story was not completely accurate, but close enough on some points, and the mainstream exposure to the problem of 'UBB' is welcome.

Closing remarks were wrong that it "will not affect most people", because so many of us are so close to the edge of where BHell's warped nonlinear version of so-called UBB will kick our ass if we take too long wiping it while some video is streaming in the other room !

That's why BHell brazenly set Ontario's cap at 25 GB, because while they may not hit all of us right away, by any reasonable estimate their so-called UBB will hit most of us not very far down the line.


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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

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Canoe (SUN Media / Quebecor / Videotron) has this article :

»money.canoe.ca/money/business/ca···851.html



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I have copied this post to here from a much longer thread in the TSI forum, a it will more likely get lost there.

said by Boni :

I don't know if this is the right place but I found this lawyer advertising that he is looking for anti-UBB group[s] to represent PRO BONO if they will go after Bell and the CRTC:

»www.davidellis.ca/2011/01/27/bel···epublic/



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Liberal Polarize Against UBB - CBC

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011···eau.html



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Usage-based billing (UBB) - What do you think of the CRTC ruling ? - JF Mezei on CBC's Point of View

»www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2011···ing.html

Good summary and several links to other CBC UBB articles.



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ARSTECHNICA_com's UBB Update :

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···ling.ars



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Globe Article : INTERVIEW with CLEMENT (Industry Canada Minister)

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1889321/

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Liberal industry critic Marc Garneau, who said he will pressure Mr. Clement to throw the decision back to the regulator, said he doesn’t buy the large providers’ arguments about Internet network traffic and congestion.

“There’s more and more use,” Mr. Garneau said. “But to some extent, it’s also self-serving as well. And in this case, the ruling of the CRTC has gone too much in favour of the arguments presented by the big players.”



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This is the CRTC's link to JF's Application of 2011-01-28 to Stay CRTC Decision 2011-44 (UBB), and is our first public online proof that they received it from him.

»www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2011/···0_11.htm


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Geist has a good overview

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5611/125/



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Hollywood Reporter - go figure:

»www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/c···eb-95087


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People have gone from saying "Look at those poor bastards" to "OMG with consolidated media ownership that could happen/is happening here too."



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said by Davesnothere:

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This is the CRTC's link to JF's Application of 2011-01-28 to Stay CRTC Decision 2011-44 (UBB), and is our first public online proof that they received it from him.

»www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2011/···0_11.htm

Hmm I've cleared cache etc etc but the only way I see it on crtc site is through your link.I see no 2011 under stay of execution in chrome or IE when I dont follow your link

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Yes - for whatever reason, 2011 hasn't been listed in the index yet. I had to reverse engineer the 2011 listing page (not hard) to find it.



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said by nanook:

Word is getting out about how UBB will negatively impact almost everyone.
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TheRecord - CRTC ruling sparks fears of expanding internet fees

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Paulina Cumming is required to watch as many as 10 YouTube videos a week for her University of Guelph biology class.

She accesses most of her homework online, including lectures and notes. With the Canadian Radio-Telecommunications Commission deciding on Jan. 25 to allow usage-based billing by internet companies, Cumming is worried she and her five housemates won’t be able to afford the higher cost of accessing the internet...

One small internet service provider, TekSavvy based in Chatham....



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CFRB !

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This morning the CFRB Ottawa correspondent confirms that the Harper gov't is not happy with the CRTC decision and is reviewing it. The correspondent goes on to say that internet bills will increase as much as 90%. Also mentioned were rallies and the big petition. The correspondent then says he figures Clement will send the decision back to the CRTC for a "common sense" review. This got primetime morning exposure and CFRB still has a fairly large listening audience.

Great balls of fire... why on earth would you send it back where it came from in the first place. They should just kill it.



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KARL BODE's Update (DSLR News)

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Yes !

»Canadians: Meet Your New, Confusing And Overpriced Broadband



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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

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I quoted this post because I was able to read the CHAT LOG even AFTER the event was done.

You might find it to be interesting.

said by Savant:

If anyone is interested, there is a live web-chat on this issue for the next 60 minutes at the Globe & Mail.

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1889976/

More info on this at :

»Telecom Analyst vs Telecom consultant @Noon Re:UBB


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Toronto Star today...

»www.moneyville.ca/blog/post/9313···way?bn=1



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UBB - The Internet TAX

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The linked thread has a decent VIDEO against UBB, presenting it as a TAX, which by one formal definition, it IS !

»UBB - The Internet Tax - The Youtube Video