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Strombo, Feb 2

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»www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/George_···76833946

Apparently a good detailed explanation, as per grunze.

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That's the one!

Starts at about 3:05



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Re: What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

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EEEEEASY now (This is mostly a Link thread)

(But yes)



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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by mattp2182:

where do they find people so out of touch with reality?

London Psych on Highbury St.

I thought they cut out provincial funding for rubber rooms and just let ppl go to jail now? Isn't that the crime and punishment "agenda" these days?

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said by mattp2182:

where do they find people so out of touch with reality?

London Psych on Highbury St.


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another fine editorial from the financial post

»fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201···hey-use/

where do they find people so out of touch with reality?



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Some of Today's Article Links (Group 1)

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»Roseman on OpenMedia-UBB

»Windsor Star Article on UBB

»Another Cyberpresse article about UBB (3rd so far)(FR)

»Globe & Mail op-ed by former CTRC vice-chair

»Financial Post: Billing Reveral Would be bad Policy

»www.techdirt.com/articles/201101···ls.shtml



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Re: What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

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....Does the cabinet really want to position itself as the effective arbiter for all the campaigns of rent-seeking and special pleading that an institution such as the CRTC has historically dealt with?

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Prob'ly not.

BUT

If THAT's what it takes to make things right, the SO BE IT !!!

(at least THIS time, anyway)

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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

New one from Cyberpresse :

»technaute.cyberpresse.ca/nouvell···eil_POS4


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Re: What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

a new one today
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»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opi···1890730/

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We established independent regulators because they’re supposed to have the expertise, the freedom from partisan pressures, the time and the longer-term perspective to make the painful and complex decisions required to keep industries that are otherwise liable to market failure operating in some semblance of the public interest. Does the cabinet really want to position itself as the effective arbiter for all the campaigns of rent-seeking and special pleading that an institution such as the CRTC has historically dealt with?




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said by Davesnothere:

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Just yesterday, The Globe and Mail has also offered opinions about just that same question :

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1890596/

THEY wrote :

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"Rather than ensuring consumers receive fair Internet pricing, the CRTC seems content to line the pockets of Cable and telecommunications companies by forcing Canadian consumers to pay Internet data rates that have no basis in reality."

This is one of the better articles I've read. He approaches it properly and talks about what is fair.


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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

More from Nowak
»wordsbynowak.com/2011/02/02/cana···g-point/

Ellen Roseman
»www.thestar.com/business/article···s-to-act


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Clement hints feds may reverse Internet-billing ruling

»www.montrealgazette.com/technolo···ory.html

Looks like we may have a decision by the end of the month!



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What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

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Now that we have heard all this flap about UBB, some may be wondering whether Bell and the other big providers just MIGHT have a point after all.

So what might be a fair rate to pay for Internet, if we wish to take into account paying a reasonable price for using more ?

I posted this thread only last week, and its proposal still makes sense to me.

»A Fair Rate for REAL UBB on 5Mb DSL service

Just yesterday, The Globe and Mail has also offered opinions about just that same question :

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1890596/

THEY wrote :

quote:
"Rather than ensuring consumers receive fair Internet pricing, the CRTC seems content to line the pockets of Cable and telecommunications companies by forcing Canadian consumers to pay Internet data rates that have no basis in reality."



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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

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Rocky posted that he thinks she seemed angry.

What's YOUR opinion ?

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqDMFNq-rJs


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Strombo again

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»Strombo talks UBB again!

There may be a longer bit from him tonight on UBB than what's described in the thread, not sure.

Need to review the full Ep, if it's available online.



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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

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Not sure exactly where THIS thread is heading, but might become important :

»MPs vote to investigate UBB at Industry Committee



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TSI vs Bell debate - CBC

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»Teksavvy vs. Bell coming up on Lang & O'Leary re. UBB

It's around the 35 minute mark on the below clip (the above link contains a different URL claiming to lead there) :

»www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Money/12···76171595



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Clement on CTV

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In the 1st clip (from CTV's PowerPlay), Industry Canada Minister Tony Clement is interviewed for 5 minutes and he seems to either understand the issue, or has at least been well briefed on the topic.

»watch.ctv.ca/news/powerplay#clip411156

He appears only briefly part way thru this 2nd clip of several interviewees.

»watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/interne···ip411276

This is one of the threads discussing his interview(s) on CTV.

»Tony Clement on CTV on UBB - Watch here!



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PM Harper Orders Review of UBB

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»Canadian PM Orders Review Of CRTC Decision - Karl Bode - DSLR

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1890567/
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The campaign also got a jolt of legitimacy from a formal, 27-page petition filed to cabinet by a lone computer consultant in Montreal.

Jean-François Mezei, who runs Vaxination Informatique, stayed up late last Wednesday finishing a type of document more commonly filed by the lawyers and regulatory experts of large telecom companies like Bell and Telus.

Mr. Mezei first got involved in 2008 at a protest against carriers being allowed to “throttle,” or squeeze, their networks to control network congestion.

“This process has taken me now from a being a protester on Parliament Hill to successfully handing a petition to the governor in council. And it looks like the minister has gotten the hint that this needs to reversed,” Mr. Mezei said.

He said he called Industry Canada on Tuesday and the bureaucrat answering the phone said that in 10 years at Industry he had never seen a document filed by an individual go so high.

“My petition was an enabler of this, rather than the cause. But it still feels good to feel like you’re part of something big.”

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»www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2011/0···ent.html

»www.straight.com/article-370996/···decision


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Wall Street Journal

"Canada's Clement Reviewing Regulator's Decision On Usage-Based Billing"

»online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-201···983.html



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CFIB comes to Bat

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»CFIB letter to Clement

»www.cfib-fcei.ca/english/advocac···rtc.html



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CNOC writes to CLEMENT

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»Letter from CNOC to Clement

»www.michaelgeist.ca/component/op···d/gid,40



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CBC P&P

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Also Marc Garneau (LIB) & Charlie Angus (NDP)

»Tony Clement on CBC News (Power & Politics) now!



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CPAC Feed of Question Period

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Clement was under the gun on UBB today.

»Watching CPAC right now online



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Latest CBC

said by AkFubar:

The Government will decide by March 1...

»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2011···ent.html



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UBB - The Internet TAX

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The linked thread has a decent VIDEO against UBB, presenting it as a TAX, which by one formal definition, it IS !

»UBB - The Internet Tax - The Youtube Video



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Toronto Star today...

»www.moneyville.ca/blog/post/9313···way?bn=1



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I quoted this post because I was able to read the CHAT LOG even AFTER the event was done.

You might find it to be interesting.

said by Savant:

If anyone is interested, there is a live web-chat on this issue for the next 60 minutes at the Globe & Mail.

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1889976/

More info on this at :

»Telecom Analyst vs Telecom consultant @Noon Re:UBB


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KARL BODE's Update (DSLR News)

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Yes !

»Canadians: Meet Your New, Confusing And Overpriced Broadband



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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

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CFRB !

said by AkFubar:

This morning the CFRB Ottawa correspondent confirms that the Harper gov't is not happy with the CRTC decision and is reviewing it. The correspondent goes on to say that internet bills will increase as much as 90%. Also mentioned were rallies and the big petition. The correspondent then says he figures Clement will send the decision back to the CRTC for a "common sense" review. This got primetime morning exposure and CFRB still has a fairly large listening audience.

Great balls of fire... why on earth would you send it back where it came from in the first place. They should just kill it.