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Strombo again

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»Strombo talks UBB again!

There may be a longer bit from him tonight on UBB than what's described in the thread, not sure.

Need to review the full Ep, if it's available online.


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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

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Rocky posted that he thinks she seemed angry.

What's YOUR opinion ?

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqDMFNq-rJs


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What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

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Now that we have heard all this flap about UBB, some may be wondering whether Bell and the other big providers just MIGHT have a point after all.

So what might be a fair rate to pay for Internet, if we wish to take into account paying a reasonable price for using more ?

I posted this thread only last week, and its proposal still makes sense to me.

»A Fair Rate for REAL UBB on 5Mb DSL service

Just yesterday, The Globe and Mail has also offered opinions about just that same question :

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1890596/

THEY wrote :
quote:
"Rather than ensuring consumers receive fair Internet pricing, the CRTC seems content to line the pockets of Cable and telecommunications companies by forcing Canadian consumers to pay Internet data rates that have no basis in reality."


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Clement hints feds may reverse Internet-billing ruling

»www.montrealgazette.com/technolo···ory.html

Looks like we may have a decision by the end of the month!


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Re: What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

said by Davesnothere:

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Just yesterday, The Globe and Mail has also offered opinions about just that same question :

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1890596/

THEY wrote :

quote:
"Rather than ensuring consumers receive fair Internet pricing, the CRTC seems content to line the pockets of Cable and telecommunications companies by forcing Canadian consumers to pay Internet data rates that have no basis in reality."

This is one of the better articles I've read. He approaches it properly and talks about what is fair.

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a new one today
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»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opi···1890730/

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We established independent regulators because they’re supposed to have the expertise, the freedom from partisan pressures, the time and the longer-term perspective to make the painful and complex decisions required to keep industries that are otherwise liable to market failure operating in some semblance of the public interest. Does the cabinet really want to position itself as the effective arbiter for all the campaigns of rent-seeking and special pleading that an institution such as the CRTC has historically dealt with?



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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles



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....Does the cabinet really want to position itself as the effective arbiter for all the campaigns of rent-seeking and special pleading that an institution such as the CRTC has historically dealt with?

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Prob'ly not.

BUT

If THAT's what it takes to make things right, the SO BE IT !!!

(at least THIS time, anyway)


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Some of Today's Article Links (Group 1)



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Re: What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

another fine editorial from the financial post

»fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201···hey-use/

where do they find people so out of touch with reality?

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where do they find people so out of touch with reality?

London Psych on Highbury St.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

said by mattp2182:

where do they find people so out of touch with reality?

London Psych on Highbury St.

I thought they cut out provincial funding for rubber rooms and just let ppl go to jail now? Isn't that the crime and punishment "agenda" these days?


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EEEEEASY now (This is mostly a Link thread)

(But yes)


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Strombo, Feb 2

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»www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/George_···76833946

Apparently a good detailed explanation, as per grunze.

said by DavidT:

That's the one!

Starts at about 3:05



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DSLR - Karl Bode, Today

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»Canadian Caps Aren't Economically Justified

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"You'll recall that when Time Warner Cable tried to impose low caps and high per gigabyte overages here in the States, they proclaimed the move was financially necessary because flat-rate broadband pricing wasn't sustainable.

Consumer backlash to the idea of over-paying by the byte forced Time Warner Cable to back off the plan, and they've reported several consecutive quarters of healthy profit under that supposedly unsustainable flat-rate pricing model."

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AH HA HA HA HAAAAAA !

Gotcha, BHell !

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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles

CTV Calgary,

»watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/interne···ip411276
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Re: What is a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

said by trainwreck6:

said by MaynardKrebs:

said by mattp2182:

where do they find people so out of touch with reality?

London Psych on Highbury St.

I thought they cut out provincial funding for rubber rooms and just let ppl go to jail now? Isn't that the crime and punishment "agenda" these days?

RSN (real soon now) if Harpler gets re-elected as demigogue-in-chief.


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CRTC'S KvF to be Grilled ?



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More from Recent Globe

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»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opi···1890730/

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1890567/
quote:
The campaign also got a jolt of legitimacy from a formal, 27-page petition filed to cabinet by a lone computer consultant in Montreal.

Jean-François Mezei, who runs Vaxination Informatique, stayed up late last Wednesday finishing a type of document more commonly filed by the lawyers and regulatory experts of large telecom companies like Bell and Telus.

Mr. Mezei first got involved in 2008 at a protest against carriers being allowed to “throttle,” or squeeze, their networks to control network congestion.

“This process has taken me now from a being a protester on Parliament Hill to successfully handing a petition to the governor in council. And it looks like the minister has gotten the hint that this needs to reversed,” Mr. Mezei said.

He said he called Industry Canada on Tuesday and the bureaucrat answering the phone said that in 10 years at Industry he had never seen a document filed by an individual go so high.

“My petition was an enabler of this, rather than the cause. But it still feels good to feel like you’re part of something big.”

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And What IS a FAIR PRICE for INTERNET ?

Only yesterday, The Globe and Mail has also offered opinions about just that :

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···1890596/
quote:
"Rather than ensuring consumers receive fair Internet pricing, the CRTC seems content to line the pockets of Cable and telecommunications companies by forcing Canadian consumers to pay Internet data rates that have no basis in reality."



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Michael Geist's BLOG

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In particular, see his entries for Feb 1 & 2

»www.michaelgeist.ca/


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Re: Globe & Other 2011-44 (UBB) articles


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A profound revelation.

A way out for UBB?
»mhgoldberg.com/blog/

A way out for the Thornhill Minister of Information.


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Goldberg is an ex VP of Bell, so take everything he says with several thousand grains of salt. He already proved he is a huge Telcom shill in a roundtable discussion in the Post


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GREEN Party Finally Comments

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»greenparty.ca/media-release/2011···decision
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The Green Party of Canada urges the Minister of Industry to reverse the Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission’s (CRTC) January 25th decision, and to fully review all related rulings.

The CRTC's decision abandoned Canadians in favour of big business by allowing large Canadian ISPs to charge gross overage fees.

By limiting the pricing options of smaller ISPs using their network, the CRTC has effectively crippled small businesses who provide valuable Internet services to thousands of Canadians.

quote:
The Green Party supports the principle of Fair Usage Based Billing (FUBB) for Internet services.

Because bandwidth is limitedproviders should be allowed to charge more to consumers who use more.

If implemented correctly, FUBB would provide improved Internet access to Canadians by giving ISPs a way to curb the consumption of the very few who consume at the highest levels.
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ALSO :

»Bibic defending UBB on BNN

»CFRB 1010: UBB

»Tony Clement Interview on CBC's As It Happens

»Terence Corcoran: The 25-gigabyte Internet myth

»Rogers - "Don't worry about UBB"


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John Tory, former President and CEO of Rogers Cable and current Board of Director for Rogers, covered UBB again today on his show.
»Re: John Tory CFRB on UBB--
Ontario can lead again - Tim Hudak in 2011
Save Canadian Internet - StopUBB.ca


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Toronto SUN

CRTC makes a Wrong Turn on the Information Highway

»www.torontosun.com/comment/2011/···296.html

»Toronto sun article feb 2


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UBB Be Gone ?

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The Below Group of Articles/Threads covers from Feb 2nd to 3rd.

Globe and Mail - SEE ABOVE POST from FATNESS.

Next are 3 DSLR forum threads :

»CRTC ruling is about to be killed (looking official)

»Ottawa to quash CRTC decision killing unlimited Internet

»Tony Clement: UBB will be overturned

Gov't Expects CRTC to Reverse Ruling on Internet Billing - UBB - CTV - Web story, with a Video clip

[The typed version is missing a COMMA (which should be after the word 'illusion'), without which it dramatically changes the meaning of the 2nd paragraph to seem to contradict the accepted quote. - The Gazette version, below, is better composed.]

»www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/2011···-110202/

The full CTV TV coverage begins at about 8:20 into this next clip :

(Note that in there, the CRTC is blamed rather than Bell, for UBB)

»watch.ctv.ca/news/ctv-national-n···ip411995

The story seems to have broken too late for CBC's 'The National' TV broadcast, which is produced to first air at 9 PM EST on the CBC News Channel, rather than CTV's National News which airs at 11 PM EST.

Next is CBC's web edition of the story, which is more neutral (it clearly blames Bell for UBB) than CTV's (who OWNs Bell) coverage.

»www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/02/···ent.html

Toronto Star :

»www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti···-billing

Montreal Gazette :
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OTTAWA — The Harper government will overrule a recent decision by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission that effectively kills unlimited Internet-pricing packages — unless the telecommunications regulator backs down first, Postmedia News has learned.

"The CRTC should be under no illusion. The prime minister and the minister of industry will reverse this decision unless the CRTC does it itself," a senior government source, speaking only on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday evening.
»www.montrealgazette.com/business···ory.html

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680 News :

»www.680news.com/news/national/ar···decision

Canoe (FR) :

»fr.canoe.ca/infos/quebeccanada/a···718.html
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The INDU meeting at which Konrad is appearing will be available here:

»parlvu.parl.gc.ca/ParlVu/Content···yId=7245

»parlvu.parl.gc.ca/ParlVu/Upcomin···?lang=en

I don't know if it will be live or only available after, but it will definitely be available after at least.