 | I'm Hissed Mad After Watching Documentary On The Recession I watched the movie "Inside Job" which is a documentary about the causes of the recession that bankrupted many companies and brought down the housing market. I have lost all my respect for our government, our leaders and our laws. Okay here's a Cole's Note of the things I learnt:
1. The recession was caused by a pack of greedy billionaires and CEO's.
2. These billionaries made billions when the recession hit (one of them alone made $12 billion).
3. These billionaires doubled their fortunes and the money they gambled and lost were the savings of decades of work of millions of people around the world, they devastated entire pension plans.
4. Instead of being charged and jailed for larceny, theft, and fraud these billionaires and CEO's were later hired by GW Bush and Obama as their financial advisors and to top jobs such as for the federal reserve.
5. These same institutions who knowingly defrauded millions such as Merryl Lynch and Leahman Brothers and caused the recession were themselves bailed out with OUR tax money, while we who lost homes and jobs didn't get a penny.
6. One of these institutions which was given $16 billion bail out money from the feds to stay afloat, turned around and gave a $170 million severence payment to the very CEO that nose-dived the corporation to bankruptcy.
7. Corporations such as the Leahman Brothers sold junk stock to investors and bribed rating agencies to give such stocks "AAA" ratings and sold them at top prize, then Leahman Brothers made sure those stocks went down to the ground but not before their inside top guys sold and dumped that stock at top $$$.
8. All these tricks were able to be done after the industry was deregulated and to do this they bribed and funded campaigns to politicians who in turn lobbied in congress for these regulations to be reversed.
There were so many other barbaric things done but I'm too lazy to type them right now. |
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 OmegaDisplaced OhioanPremium join:2002-07-30 Cheyenne, WY | I have never heard the phase, "hissed mad." Does this mean when you get mad you sound like a snake? -- What smells like blue? |
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 KommiePremium join:2003-05-13 united state kudos:2 | reply to Xstar_Lumini Nader has been saying this all along. |
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 kleemanAustralian Expat join:2000-07-29 Nyack, NY kudos:1 | reply to Xstar_Lumini Yep deregulation was simply a cover for unfettered greed and destructive speculation. Funny how it all seemed so "logical" in the 1980s and 90s...... |
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 sailorPremium join:2003-10-21 Long Island kudos:6 | reply to Xstar_Lumini If you've never seen this
»www.amazon.com/Enron-Smartest-Gu···7&sr=1-1
you should... |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to Xstar_Lumini This is where vigilantes need to come back, but they would just be labeled as terrorists now. The politicians, and lawyers would protect them as long as it was financially sound for them to do so. The facts are the so called elected officials these days are already loaded cards who need to wear stickers like nascar cars. When our government puts an obvious AT&T lobbyist into a position of power it's obvious that they don't need to hide the corruption anymore. Then again when we only have a few people stepping up, and independents who don't have the financial backing of these corporations usually not willing, only getting into office by telling what people want to hear, that's when they successfully duped the public.
For decades this has been the United Corporations of America, and that's the truth. Once corporations were legally able to be considered a person is when our country went to hell.
We were supposed to be able to overthrow our government if they became corrupt, but our own government has made every effort to prevent this from taking place. Sooner, or later this country will fall under it's own greed, hell it's already mostly owned by China now. Too many people selling the futures of their own children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren to feed their greed today.
This hasn't been the land of the free for a long time. -- My hourly rates: $25 per hour. $35 per hour if you want to watch. $45 per hour if you want to help. $75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed. When the rich wage war it's the poor who die. |
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 TearAbiteD'oh join:2001-07-25 Rancho Cucamonga, CA kudos:2 | reply to Xstar_Lumini Did any of them break the law? ..and, for the record: hissed? Learnt? -- Don't blame OS X users for YOUR poor choice in an OS... |
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 | reply to BlitzenZeus said by BlitzenZeus:For decades this has been the United Corporations of America, and that's the truth. Once corporations were legally able to be considered a person is when our country went to hell. Here in Canada we have the CRTC (Canadian Radio & Telecommunications Commission), it's a "gov't commission" that oversees our telecommunications and regulates it. Guess who it is formed by? Exclusively populated by ex CEO's from Rogers,Bell and Telus our 3 main monopoly cellphone carriers. Guess what? The CRTC is the one that decides if to approve any price hike that Rogers or Bell wants to incur on customers, guess what their decisions always are? You guessed it.
It's such a sham that even after retiring from work from the CRTC, these scumballs go back to their old jobs at Rogers and Bell. Would you have any respect for your government when you see this?
If you try to make noise and protest you might end up in jail under ANY terrorism or "disturbing the peace" bullsh*t charge. They will tell you that you have the right to "protest peacefully", this means standing in a corner with a sign by yourself? If you divulge any documents uncovering this travesty and sham you'll be charged with "treason" for revealing "classified documents", sounds familiar? (Wikileaks). Here's democracy and freedom for you. |
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON kudos:1 | reply to Xstar_Lumini Booms and busts are one-way valves that funnel money to these scumbags. Bailout money is twisting the knife after it is driven as deep as it will go. Then it all starts again... |
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON kudos:1 | reply to Xstar_Lumini Even at the individual level you can see how they are rewarded for booms and busts: big bonuses while things go up, golden parachutes when things go down.
Sustainable growth does not make them as rich as pumping things up as much as they can and then strapping on the golden parachute when things start crashing down.
It's a fundamentally broken system whose rewards are not aligned with its purported goals. |
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 M A R SPremium join:2001-06-15 Long Island Reviews:
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OK, but how much of this "hiss" worthy documentary pertains to the Canadian financial markets? |
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 GomezExile in waitingPremium,Ex-Mod 06-11 join:2001-02-21 Atlanta, GA | reply to Xstar_Lumini Right, the community reinvestment act and a perception of an ever growing housing market had nothing to so with it..
Various regulatory changes on the act, but in short banks in order to cater to communities had to deliver equally into that community in order to expand.
Now, to leverage the risks of these loans, they insured them.. So even the lowest level of credit, was insured and treated as AAA, therefore deemed 'safe', this is known as a derivative.
This type of derivative was considered safe haven, so a market emerged and fueled it. Leading to no-doc loans..
The banks were expanding and in guidelines, the investors were happy, and the strawberry picker making 14k was in a 720k house.
Hang on.. 14K in 720k? ( This one is the poster child of the bubble: »drhousingbubble.blogspot.com/200···use.html).
Alberto Ramirez had no business buying 60x his annual salary in housing, as did many others, although not to that extreme..
The banks played a game they were forced to play, albeit they got sloppy as did the insurers of the derivatives as well as the buyers.
But at some point, things fall back on the 100,000s of thousands, if not millions of greedy individuals who bought into the American Dream well beyond their means.
I know it's in vogue to blame big corporations and banks as they are faceless entities.. But that blame sits mostly on anyone who bought a house they simply could not afford, as exhibited by a few hundred million home owners that didn't have a problem.. -- It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players. 'Wanna help buy a goat?' - »www.kiva.org
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 Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium join:2003-05-31 Valhalla kudos:6 Reviews:
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| reply to BlitzenZeus quote: This is where vigilantes need to come back, but they would just be labeled as terrorists now.
Who cares about labels if your convictions are so great and you want change?
I have to ask if you will be leading the charge for change or overthrow or sitting in the comfort of your parents home or your home? -- "One Good Conspiracy Deserves Another."
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 ScilicetPremium join:2005-04-11 Aurora, CO | reply to Xstar_Lumini Congratulations! You are beginning to catch on. See: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to Grail Knight I'd rather just make people disappear on some deserted island trying to tell each other what to do, kind of like the real ending to the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. I don't have those kinds of funds however. They had their chance, but they chose to just shat on the world instead of making it better. It can't be their fault, they made greed legal....
The problem is most of the public is too self-involved that they won't actually do anything, and those who do rise up just get bogus charges, along with labels thrown at them. Most people won't take any action unless it actually effects their personal life, like how the British forced the American colonies to house, and feed their troops, forcing massive taxes locally, yet they were on the other side of the world. I'd lead the charge of most people we not sheep, and when confronted with actually taking action, they do nothing. Remember how those who sided with the British mostly went North to Canada?
Voting these days is a joke, the so-called elected officials are the ones making the laws that effect us the most, and have their loyalties with their campaign contributors. We need a restarts, and to remove these corrupt idiots from power, including removing corporate powers from inside our government. As another example DHS seized more domains, I'm sorry their new name is Department of Copyright Security, doing the jobs of the corporations, not homeland security. -- My hourly rates: $25 per hour. $35 per hour if you want to watch. $45 per hour if you want to help. $75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed. When the rich wage war it's the poor who die. |
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 GomezExile in waitingPremium,Ex-Mod 06-11 join:2001-02-21 Atlanta, GA | said by BlitzenZeus:The problem is most of the public is too self-involved that they won't actually do anything, and those who do rise up just get bogus charges, along with labels thrown at them. Most people won't take any action unless it actually effects their personal life [...] Riddle me this...
If this same self-involved public didn't overbuy their houses, would we have this problem?
There would be no mortgage derivative market, no mortgage insurance market (at least to the the degree we saw), no collapse, ergo no bailouts.. -- It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players. 'Wanna help buy a goat?' - »www.kiva.org
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON kudos:1 2 edits | Blaming the public only goes so far. Who should've known better, the average idiots who took what was offered, or the bankers and shysters that pushed the loans through? Make no mistake the loans were supply-driven. There was a huge demand from investors for the derivatives and the supply had to come from somewhere, so out came the predatory lending practices.
Beyond the obvious cases like the strawberry picker, millions were mislead about ballooning payments and shady ARMs that took their payments from manageable to beyond what the could afford. |
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 GomezExile in waitingPremium,Ex-Mod 06-11 join:2001-02-21 Atlanta, GA | said by pnjunction:Blaming the public only goes so far. Who should've known better, the average idiots who took what was offered, or the bankers and shysters that pushed the loans through? Make no mistake the loans were supply-driven. There was a huge demand from investors for the derivatives and the supply had to come from somewhere, so out came the predatory lending practices. It goes very far if one believes in personal responsibility. Had they not signed the dotted line, it wouldn't have happened.
And supply side drives prices down.. this was fueled by demand..
No one is really off the hook, BTW, far to many stories of realtors advising their clients to buy, then refinance on the value gains, which was a false demand side economy.
But, if individuals aren't culpable for their actions, and there is support for said lack of culpability, then we are truly in trouble. -- It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players. 'Wanna help buy a goat?' - »www.kiva.org
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 pnjunctionTeksavvy ExtremePremium join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON kudos:1 | said by Gomez:But, if individuals aren't culpable for their actions, and there is support for said lack of culpability, then we are truly in trouble. Right so where is the accountability from the people at the top. Oh right they got bailouts and paid out executive bonuses with them. |
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 GomezExile in waitingPremium,Ex-Mod 06-11 join:2001-02-21 Atlanta, GA | said by pnjunction:said by Gomez:But, if individuals aren't culpable for their actions, and there is support for said lack of culpability, then we are truly in trouble. Right so where is the accountability from the people at the top. Oh right they got bailouts and paid out executive bonuses with them. You dance around the question.. If there was personal responsibility that situation never would have happened..
And frankly I have no love for those at the top of the ultimate food chain, those that over leveraged should have suffered the consequences. Plan and simple.
But, I still contend the situation was created by the buyers. -- It's a fact : Chicks dig Mafia players. 'Wanna help buy a goat?' - »www.kiva.org
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