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jester121
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Re: ABC evening news: Made in America.

Ah, one of the greatest myths of the early 21st century -- that US manufacturing is dead.

It is not.

The US is still the largest manufacturing economy in the world - 46% larger than China's. It is still growing. If just the manufacturing was stripped out from the rest of our economy, it would still be tied with Germany as the 3rd largest economy in the world. It's more than double what it was in the 70s. We account for 20% of all the production in the world.

»www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito···the_usa/

Links to the compiled data from the UN in the article. The Fed's numbers were similar when I dug around a couple weeks ago.


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Another part of the puzzle is this:
Made in america what does it mean:
A] The company is entirely in the USA, and it's product is 100% American resourced.
b]The company is foreign owned, but they build their product in the USA. An example of this would be a car company like Honda/Kia..
They import parts and build it here in the USA [like the American car manufacturers]. But because it is assembled in the USA, is that an american product? Even though it's a foreign company.
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The "Perception" when we think U.S. manufacturing

The "reality" of U.S. manufacturing
 
said by jester121:

Ah, one of the greatest myths of the early 21st century -- that US manufacturing is dead.

It is not.

Is too!

...at least for the purposes of this discussion. We must unlink manufacturing productivity with manufacturing job creation (IOW, it doesn't really matter where the robots are. Most of us think declining manufacturing, and in reality we should be thinking declining manufacturing jobs, which is what's important.):

Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago--> »midwest.chicagofedblogs.org/arch···_mf.html ]
When discussing the health of the manufacturing sector, one major issue is whether we should assess the number of people employed in the sector or focus on the amount of output created in manufacturing. Interestingly, each leads to the opposite conclusion about the strength of manufacturing in the United States.

Manufacturing employment as a share of total employment in the United States has been declining over the past 60 years. In 1950, nearly 31% of nonfarm workers were employed in manufacturing. Since then, the share has been dropping three or four percentage points per decade, falling to 28.4% in 1960, 25.1% in 1970, 20.7% in 1980, 16.2% in 1990, 13.1% in 2000, and 9.1% in 2009. Even with this downward trend in manufacturing’s share of jobs, employment in manufacturing has on average been fairly stable over the past 60 years, averaging a decline of –0.1% per year. In contrast, the growth of nonfarm employment averaged 1.9% per year, and this led to the reduction in manufacturing’s share of jobs.

By 2006, the U.S. economy employed about as many workers in manufacturing as in 1950, just over 14 million. And so, looking at manufacturing employment alone leads one to believe that the sector is in decline or at best stagnant.

However, a very different conclusion emerges if you focus on the amount of goods being produced by the manufacturing sector. While employment has changed very little over the past 60 years, output in manufacturing has increased at an annual rate of 3.4%. Manufacturing output in 2007 (the recent peak in manufacturing output) was over 600% higher than in 1950.



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said by dogma:

said by jester121:

Ah, one of the greatest myths of the early 21st century -- that US manufacturing is dead.

It is not.

Is too!

...at least for the purposes of this discussion. We must unlink manufacturing productivity with manufacturing job creation (IOW, it doesn't really matter where the robots are. Most of us think declining manufacturing, and in reality we should be thinking declining manufacturing jobs, which is what's important.):

The other perspective is that piece work in a factory isn't an efficient use of human capital, and one might even say it sucks for workers themselves. None of the robots in your second photo have stiff backs or missing fingers. Maybe the workers in the top photo would have gotten more fulfillment from skilled tasks such as fixing or doing PM on a robot, rather than welding 1200 identical widgets on 1200 identical cars (tongue in cheek here of course...)

Not a big fan of cliches, but the old adage about "work smarter, not harder" comes into play. The shift from a manufacturing to a service/knowledge worker based employment economy isn't a bad thing in my book.

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said by Waterbug:

said by Snakeoil:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/world-news-made-america-challenge-groundbreaking-project-american-made-goods-12772 486

Just saw a blurb on this tonight. In 10 days [I think] ABC news will go shopping to see how much stuff they can find that is 100% made in America.

Let's see, just off the top I get : 1. Not a single new car. 2. Only the most expensive custom built homes.(although such homes typically have imported marble etc.) 3. No fresh vegetables, except in the middle of summer. 4. Little or no edible fish products. 5. No lithium batteries. (lithium is only mined in Africa). 6. Only enough diesel and gasoline to supply 15% of the vehicles on the road. 7. Little or no telephone customer support.

That's only 3 minutes of thought. The only manufacturing industry that is primarily American made is pharmaceuticals.

3) California and Arizona in fall and spring. 3) Yes we have American fish or at least fish caught by Americans. We have a coast.
7) Depends on the company but yes that is getting shipped overseas.

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The Staber is a horizontal-axis washer (like modern front-loaders), but it loads from the top into a hexagonal metal basket.

It should be compared to front-loaders (that start around $700), not the old top-loading with agitator design ($400 or less).

However, the Staber has no service/support network to speak of, so you will be doing all your own repairs when needed.

said by horsemouth:

I kind of like it I found a few gems like this on the site

"Staber gives alternative energy users the most efficient washer available for handling their laundry needs. The Staber washer runs very efficiently, operating on only 110–150 watt-hours of electricity per wash load. It uses about 5-6 amps during the wash cycle, and surges to about 11 amps when the motor starts. We recommend a minimum of a 1,500 watt inverter to be used with our Staber washer, with adequately charged batteries and an output of between 115-120VAC and 60Hz. to operate correctly. Unlike other washing machine manufacturers, the warranty is not voided when used on a solar power source. This, while using an average of only 15 gallons of water per load make the Staber the most energy efficient washer available and the best choice for consumers living "off-grid."

They also say it is user friendly for repairs.


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said by nonymous:

said by Waterbug:

said by Snakeoil:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/world-news-made-america-challenge-groundbreaking-project-american-made-goods-12772 486

Just saw a blurb on this tonight. In 10 days [I think] ABC news will go shopping to see how much stuff they can find that is 100% made in America.

Let's see, just off the top I get : 1. Not a single new car. 2. Only the most expensive custom built homes.(although such homes typically have imported marble etc.) 3. No fresh vegetables, except in the middle of summer. 4. Little or no edible fish products. 5. No lithium batteries. (lithium is only mined in Africa). 6. Only enough diesel and gasoline to supply 15% of the vehicles on the road. 7. Little or no telephone customer support.

That's only 3 minutes of thought. The only manufacturing industry that is primarily American made is pharmaceuticals.

3) California and Arizona in fall and spring. 3) Yes we have American fish or at least fish caught by Americans. We have a coast.
7) Depends on the company but yes that is getting shipped overseas.

3. The little that exists (check the crates in your local store) is produced with undocumented aliens and creates very few American jobs. Then they have to compete with low overhead foreign producers.4. The gulf is a mess. The north-east and south-west coasts are non-productive. Alaska is productive but fish-able on 6 months a year.


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said by dave:

For what it's worth, both of those machines look like they are archaic and primitive designs that AFAIK haven't been used in Europe for maybe 30 years. Top-loaders, fer chrissakes?

The console design on the Stabler doesn't look more than 10 or 15 years old. And I thought most people still used top loading washers becuase front loaders are still much more expensive.

Also, I refuse to belive that there's a job that an American won't do. The migrants are hered because they work cheaper, not because no one else will do the job.
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I'm still trying to figure out why many Police Departments use Glocks and our Military uses Berettas. You would have thought that the Police Unions would have pressed harder for made in USA. If the weapons manufacturers don't make what you want then ask them to make changes.



MPScan
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reply to Snakeoil
I'm having a real hard time understanding what is "American" these days anyway? Let's throw out a scenario and see if we can define what we're talking about:

American....

Is it a Hyundai Sonata made in Montgomery, Alabama...?

Is it a Chevrolet Aveo made in San Luis Potosí, Mexico...?

Is it a Lincoln MKX made in Oakville, Ontario, Canada...?

Is it a BMW Z4 made in Greer, South Carolina...?

Is it a Ford Fusion made in Hermosillo, Mexico...?

You can argue that one company makes profits that benefit the overseas corporation (e.g., "It's Foreign!!!")

On the other hand, doesn't that same "Foreign" company employ good old pick-up driving, beer drinking, US Citizens that take those wages to put food on the table and pay mortgages?

Just wondering...

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Snakeoil
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I agree. I get a chuckle out of a GM dealers ads.. American Owned, American Made, american pride.

GM lol.. only thing american about them is their head quarters.
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jester121
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And of course, their bailout money financed by China.


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