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r81984
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reply to Octavean

Re: [Discussion] Building a computer for my TV

said by Octavean:

That’s what makes the Hauppauge HD PVR 01212 unit relatively unique because it can record up to 1080i off the component output without DRM restrictions as long as it is active.

That is not 100% true.
There are broadcast flags from your cable company that can stop you from recording or copying files off your computer. For some reason microsoft chose to follow stupid flags sent over analog connections.

I have my tuner setup through Svideo and it still prevents copying off my computer by the broadcast flag from the cable company.
Now I read you can get a filter for for both svideo/composite or component, but it is not cheap.
»www.xdimax.com/grex/grex.html
Since it is analog it can be defeated with an inline filter so it does create an easy bypass to drm.
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Octavean
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I’ve never known the Huappauge HD PVR to be impeded by broadcast flags or DRM of any kind.

I’ve had a Hauppauge HD PVR since about the time it first shipped. Which I believe was some time in mid 2008 if I recall correctly. It has never once had problems recording a show due to flags or DRM restrictions even from premium HD channels (HBO-HD, Showtime-HD, Max-HD, Starz-HD and so on). Nor has playback of such AVCHD / H.264 recordings ever been an issue.

The Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 and Hauppauge Colossus 1414 are not TV tuners.

Exploitation of the analog hole which eventually will be closed is the major weak point with these devices that I can see. However, as has already been pointed out there are HDCP strippers such as the HD Fury (1, 2 and 3) as well as others that can allow these devices to continue to work.


r81984
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I am just using video in and MCE still reads the broadcast flag.
It does not seem to have anything to do with the tuner as the broadcast flag is encoded into the non visible space just like closed captioning.
So as MCE reads the video signal it reads the CC information and any broadcast flag information.
There are 3 flags
“copy once”
“copy free”
“copy never”

The broacast flag is set by the cable companies. Not all cable companies use it and some use it on certain channels while other will block everything. You might be lucky in that your cable company does not use the broadcast flags. I found my cable company has it set to "copy never" for every channel which then MCE encrypts the video so it can only be played on my MCE computer and cannot be converted into any other video format.

MCE XP did not read the broadcast flags, but with the same tuner when I switched to Win7 MCE I found I could not copy recordings off my MCE computer.
Since it is a analog broadcast flag it can be easily filtered by blocking the flag location from the analog video signal or replacing that location with a "copy free" flag as some devices sold online do.
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Octavean
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No I am not lucky as you suggested and the Hauppauge HD PVR doesn't currently support CC either,... nor does the Colossus.

With all due respect, perhaps you might want to research the product as it might prove more fruitful then idle speculation. This has all been covered in threads over at thegreenbutton, avsforums and others,....years ago.

We could probably get an aerospace engineer in here to tell us how the bumble bee can't possibly fly but guess what,....