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Randall_Lind

join:2004-01-24
Saint Petersburg, FL

It's all about greed really

Bright House sells their lighting package as a means to download movies etc in secs. So if you actually follow that and do it and they get upset because of all the bandwidth you use it's their fault.

Oxymoron way of selling high speed by telling us to download movies etc then get upset when we do.

If cable companies wants less use then stop hyping the service and complaining we we use it as we were told.

dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

Re: It's all about greed really

said by Randall_Lind:

Bright House sells their lighting package as a means to download movies etc in secs. So if you actually follow that and do it and they get upset because of all the bandwidth you use it's their fault.

Oxymoron way of selling high speed by telling us to download movies etc then get upset when we do.

If cable companies wants less use then stop hyping the service and complaining we we use it as we were told.

When a car manufacture advertises a 0-60mph time of 5 seconds, it doesn't mean they expect you to burn rubber at every stop light.

We're already seeing bandwidth caps (both hard and soft) becoming common. Done right, I don't see a problem with metered billing. Charging for greater than 5Gb/mo is a bit extreme, but something along the lines of 150Gb/mo and $.25 per additional GB doesn't seem terribly unreasonable.
WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX

Re: It's all about greed really

said by dynodb:

said by Randall_Lind:

When a car manufacture advertises a 0-60mph time of 5 seconds, it doesn't mean they expect you to burn rubber at every stop light.

Oh, my favourite analogy. Would you not be pissed if the Maserati SpA that sold you the Maserati that could do 0-60 in 5 sec would put a governor that would disable your engine if you burned rubber once a month and that would be disclosed AFTER you bought the car AND have the brazennes to have rude "abuse reps" call you and threaten you for using your own car ?

annonymiss

@comcast.net

Re: It's all about greed really

Show me 1 ISP that doesn't tell you "you my not achieve these speeds" and I'll pay for your internet for a year.

It's getting really old this argument you try to use.

Everyone knows what they are getting when they buy interenet.

Only the crybaby idiots that don't know what the meaning of "is" is spew complaints like this.
WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX

Re: It's all about greed really

said by annonymiss :

Show me 1 ISP that doesn't tell you "you my not achieve these speeds" and I'll pay for your internet for a year.

It's getting really old this argument you try to use.

Everyone knows what they are getting when they buy interenet.

Only the crybaby idiots that don't know what the meaning of "is" is spew complaints like this.

Caching ! Besides the typo which would make you pay on a technicality, there IS a difference between a reasonable disclaimer and crippling a car/data bandwidth ON PURPOSE.
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
said by WernerSchutz:

said by dynodb:

said by Randall_Lind:

When a car manufacture advertises a 0-60mph time of 5 seconds, it doesn't mean they expect you to burn rubber at every stop light.

Oh, my favourite analogy. Would you not be pissed if the Maserati SpA that sold you the Maserati that could do 0-60 in 5 sec would put a governor that would disable your engine if you burned rubber once a month and that would be disclosed AFTER you bought the car AND have the brazennes to have rude "abuse reps" call you and threaten you for using your own car ?

Try bringing in your car under warranty after disclosing that it spends every weekend on a racetrack and tell me how that goes.
BlueC

join:2009-11-26
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Comcast
·Integra Telecom

Re: It's all about greed really

said by dynodb:

Try bringing in your car under warranty after disclosing that it spends every weekend on a racetrack and tell me how that goes.

How does this even relate to internet connections?

Are you implying that overusing your internet connection causes damage to equipment?

In that case.... Redtube, Netflix, etc would all be targets in a large mass of lawsuits.
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

Re: It's all about greed really

Physical damage to equipment? No. However, the network can "break down" in the sense that it gets congested, which is the constant battle that the providers have been waging.
BlueC

join:2009-11-26
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Comcast
·Integra Telecom

Re: It's all about greed really

said by dynodb:

Physical damage to equipment? No. However, the network can "break down" in the sense that it gets congested, which is the constant battle that the providers have been waging.

That's an issue of mismanagement. If they sold out more capacity than their network could handle, it's on the ISP, not the user.

They should allow their tiers to burst to such speeds if the network cannot handle it. Plain and simple.
WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX
said by dynodb:

which is the constant battle that the providers have been waging.

1. Do not sell shit you cannot deliver

2. You should treat your paying customers with respect, not as enemies to battle against.

rchandra
Stargate Universe fan
Premium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105

Re: It's all about greed really

said by WernerSchutz:

1. Do not sell shit you cannot deliver

been done for time immemorial so that your bill is actually quite a bit cheaper (oversubscription with a ToS which states "best effort")
said by WernerSchutz:

2. You should treat your paying customers with respect, not as enemies to battle against.

They've unfortuately been attacked/abused by a few bad apples, so they're naturally a bit defensive. They can almost never win an argument, because it's very difficult to form a good one. That is, unless they're willing to put in the time and effort to state explicitly what their service will be, such as for $X/mo, we will move Y megabytes, and will be delivered at Z bits per second up until the time you exceed Y, and so on. People in general will complain when they're throttled, and will avoid ISP who state they will do so if they can.
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WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX
said by dynodb:

Try bringing in your car under warranty after disclosing that it spends every weekend on a racetrack and tell me how that goes.

You are talking to the wrong type here. I have 5 Maseratis and a Pantera, do not care much about car warranties. Moreover, this has to do with misleading advertising, bait and switch and greed and nothing to do with an endless argument you try to create once proven to be wrong, astroturfing or both.
WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX
said by dynodb:

said by Randall_Lind:

Bright House sells their lighting package as a means to download movies etc in secs. So if you actually follow that and do it and they get upset because of all the bandwidth you use it's their fault.

Oxymoron way of selling high speed by telling us to download movies etc then get upset when we do.

If cable companies wants less use then stop hyping the service and complaining we we use it as we were told.

When a car manufacture advertises a 0-60mph time of 5 seconds, it doesn't mean they expect you to burn rubber at every stop light.

We're already seeing bandwidth caps (both hard and soft) becoming common. Done right, I don't see a problem with metered billing. Charging for greater than 5Gb/mo is a bit extreme, but something along the lines of 150Gb/mo and $.25 per additional GB doesn't seem terribly unreasonable.

Bullshit end to end. What seems "reasonable" to you is quite crappy to many heavy users. The fact that you do not "see" a problem shows only your shortsightedness. Do you "see" radiation ? No, but would still be quite a "problem" for you.
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

Re: It's all about greed really

The entire idea from the provider's standpoint is to bring down consumption of the heavy users.

Yeah, that sucks for the very small percentage of heavy users, but how much money should the providers be expected to spend annually to satisfy 5% of their users? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds of millions?

ISPs- like any business- exist to make money; it's not "greed" to try and make a profit.

DarkLogix
Texan and Proud
Premium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3

Re: It's all about greed really

simple call your top 1% of users and suggest they move to your most expencive plan if not already there

then the heavy users are paying more anyway and thus the ISP has more money to spend on upgrades
WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX
said by dynodb:

The entire idea from the provider's standpoint is to bring down consumption of the heavy users.

Yeah, that sucks for the very small percentage of heavy users, but how much money should the providers be expected to spend annually to satisfy 5% of their users? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds of millions?

ISPs- like any business- exist to make money; it's not "greed" to try and make a profit.

Profit is one thing. Misleading advertising, bait and switch and gouging are something else.

HappyAnarchy

@iauq.com
Then stop spending money on internet upgrades. Clearly they don't want to be offering 20mb speeds as they don't want to support the top 5% of users.

Oh wait, they are all crazy to get the higher speeds because the top line users are already paying more than the more casual users so they can get the faster speed. Except they are being told they shouldn't be using the faster speed now.

This wouldn't be a problem if we had more competition as small hungry independent providers would be glad to charge the small amount more it costs to support the higher speed users but as it stands now the larger telco/cable companies are more than happy to try and squeeze every extra penny they can from every extra corner they can squeeze it from. That is one of the perils of capitalism when small hungry innovators can't compete with larger companies due to extremely large infrastructure and startup costs. The thing that stops this in most industries is that a large company can only get away with charging more for so long before a new guy moves in to take a bite and force prices down closer to their costs by competition. That just isn't happening with the internet due to several large barriers that stop new companies from innovating. The few that have, namely the municipal broadband ones are often harassed out of business by the local incumbents through frivolous lawsuits, smear campaigns and other unsavory practices, which they can afford because they make almost ridiculous amounts of profit as is.

rchandra
Stargate Universe fan
Premium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105
+1.

You see this with some regularity on this site, people who move in the vicinity of 2TB of data in a month then complain when their ISP wants to boot them off their network, or throttle them, or get charged above their allotment.

The real debate is what the cap (if any) and overage charges should be, and it often goes in more random directions like this one.
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English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.


Jeopardy! replies and randomcaps REALLY suck!