 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | reply to Mdoc
Re: Tektronix 485 - no power up Why do I have the feeling the T1960 is similar to a Horizontal Output Transistor?
If it's bad, I don't think there is a replacement...... regardless now I have to strip this thing down to get to it.... |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | said by neonhomer:Why do I have the feeling the T1960 is similar to a Horizontal Output Transistor?
If it's bad, I don't think there is a replacement...... regardless now I have to strip this thing down to get to it.... I think the culprit is before T1960 on diagram 14. |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | reply to neonhomer If DS1824 is blinking, the 115v power is ok up to this point before the inverter and protection circuit. And this means either the startup circuit (VR1831, C1829) is not kickstarting the inverter (Q1834, Q1844) or the protection circuit is preventing the inverter start up. My guess is the latter, but you can isolate that.
To do that, see the first 4 entries in table 4-4, starting on pg 4-7. Make some of the checks noted. |
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | DS1824 does light with the power on.
Keep you posted.... |
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | Removed comb "U", bent pin 3 out of the way, and plugged it back in. Same thing.
I can't find TP1951... |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | diagram 14, U1910 pin 2, that's the balance node input. U1910 is part of the protection circuit on A13 power board. |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | reply to neonhomer
Found it. |
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL Reviews:
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| Once you said U1910, I found it.... must be blind... LOL
From ground to the BAL point, I get 60-350mv, and it bounces around....
I get 160V at the shell of Q1834, and between -70 and -140v at the shell of Q1844
So it sounds like T1960 might be bad..... -- "F is for Fire that burns down the whole town... U is for Uranium...... Bombs... N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!" Sheldon Plankton |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | said by neonhomer:Once you said U1910, I found it.... must be blind... LOL
From ground to the BAL point, I get 60-350mv, and it bounces around....
It's supposed to "bounce around" if you're using a DMM. The proper way to measure is not with a DMM but with a working scope with external trigger on TP1926. For the first 4 entries in table 4-4, do what you can with a DMM. See what you can do to borrow a working scope.
The voltages at Q1834/Q1844 may be from attempts to start the inverter, so it's meaningless at this point. The voltages are supposed to be double the 115v AC input voltage, or the p-p value of the line voltage. Read "Line Input Circuit" pg 3-6 2nd paragraph.
And I doubt T1960 is bad; we can't say it's bad if the problem points to circuits before T1960. It is working (in a manner of speaking) because the secondary voltages are showing the continuous inverter startup attempts made by the startup circuit. Something is preventing this, and the best method to find this out is by monitoring TP1951 with a working scope. |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 1 edit | And if you can't get a working scope, the best way then is to look at all the inputs to the balance node indicated in the block diagram on pg 3-11 and look for shorts or opens in circuits leading up to those inputs. Look for scorch marks, too. (Cold solder joints is a possibility, too--push/pull on points on the board with a pencil or plastic probe.) |
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL Reviews:
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| All I have is a Fluke 789 Process Calibrator, and a Fluke 11 DMM.
I don't know anyone with a working scope. That was the reason I bought one, so I could have one.
I will hae to fight with it more tomorrow. I wish I knew someone locally (Daytona Beach, FL area) who could assist me in fixing this thing. Its either that or I keep searching for a working scope.... -- "F is for Fire that burns down the whole town... U is for Uranium...... Bombs... N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!" Sheldon Plankton |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | Yes, try that. |
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | You mean unplug the high voltage lead, or all the wiring to the CRT? |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | all wiring to the CRT (leave the HV in) |
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL Reviews:
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| Oi vey.. that's going to be a bitch.......
I had the power inverter board and the sweep board out last night, and it was a bitch to get apart.
It says I can pull certain combs to isolate certain areas. I do know if I pull the "R" comb, the "clicking" goes from slow to fast. -- "F is for Fire that burns down the whole town... U is for Uranium...... Bombs... N is for NO SURVIVORS!!!!!" Sheldon Plankton |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | I'll look it up. How fast is fast? |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | reply to neonhomer said by neonhomer:Oi vey.. that's going to be a bitch.......
I had the power inverter board and the sweep board out last night, and it was a bitch to get apart.
It says I can pull certain combs to isolate certain areas. I do know if I pull the "R" comb, the "clicking" goes from slow to fast. The faster clicking is caused by pulling the "R" comb, Table 4-4, pg 4-8, top entry. Nothing new there.
If I'm not mistaken there should be a plug with wires attached to it on the rear of the CRT; you just pull that off.
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | You pull the rear cover, and there are three connectors..... one has 3 wires, and two that have one wire each.... |
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 MdocEhh... munch munch... what's up, Doc?Premium join:2007-03-27 Sterling, VA kudos:1 | Pull them all off. The big HV lead goes to the tube anode, you can leave that in. |
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 neonhomerKK4BFNPremium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | Haven't forgotten. Just don't feel like opening this thing back up right now. Will probably open back up after the kids go to bed in about 45 min or so. |
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