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Dezbend
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join:2001-04-20
reply to Kristopher

Re: [game] I'm Batman! Day 4

just to point out some logic...

It only takes one mafia to kill, so the other can sit around doing nothing at night.

Not doing something at night =/= town
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Meningitis
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I'm pretty sure that if you're night killing / jailing people that you're going to show up as leaving the house. I'd have to believe every mafia member will show as leaving the house during a kill/lockup.

Otherwise that's an easy way to not be detected with people that have such a power.
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Dezbend
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Surely you have been mafia before, or at least understand how the game works. Lets say there are two mafia, lets give them names just for fun, lets say it is chlen and meningitis.

Lets say meningitis’ role is a passive one, or a day role, or a power that has been previously used up.

If chlen put in the night kill, meningitis will do nothing over night, and a watcher watching his house would not see him going out. Not going out does not make him town, it just mean that night he didn’t take an activity.
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navyet2sw
Damned is in My Room

join:2001-12-09
Virginia Beach, VA
reply to Kristopher
i don't know if it would work that way with mafia, since they are usually conisdered to meet at night time. i wish i had watched bigreds42 with him being the only mafia so far, it would give me a better perspective of what happens when i watch someone. (other than town)
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Meningitis
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reply to Dezbend
Yes I've played this game before, and what you're saying still makes no sense to me.

Does mafia not kill collectively? Independent powers aside of course. Sure there are other ways of going undetected, I'll give you that... but not like you're saying.

If I'm mafia, and someone is jailed/killed even if I'm not giving the order, will I not show as leaving the house? I think so, what the hell good is a tracker role otherwise? For the off chance that you catch the 1 mafia doing the killing?
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Dezbend
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I will answer your question with a question…

If a role blocker blocks a mafia member, is the kill prevented, or does the role blocker have to target the person doing the killing?
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Meningitis
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I don't know the answer to that.

I'm still going to stand by my belief that all mafia will show as leaving their houses to a tracker-type role.
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
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join:2001-01-16
Saratoga, NY
reply to Kristopher
look, guys I am sorry this is poor play even by my laziness.

I was out sick for like a week and a half, I just got back to work (second day - first full day) and I am trying to get out from this pile of email.

Dez is quick to go after the easy players like myself even though my role is Lazarus and I am pro-town and you guys have killed me before and proven my one and only ability.

I would FOS on dez
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Dezbend
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reply to Kristopher
you are all crazy.

Gomez is the only one who makes any sense, and I believe tmodelt's claim.

so I am moving to think that tmodelt, gomez, and I are goodies.

thus men, chlen, and navy are baddies. I don't want to lynch the joker as that would win it for the mafia after a night kill. I don't know who is who.
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Meningitis
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said by Dezbend:

you are all crazy.

Gomez is the only one who makes any sense, and I believe tmodelt's claim.

Oh really? Show me where Gomez made sense this day other than to point out the obvious. He didn't agree or disagree with you either. You and him had a very nice back and forth about nothing at all, he told navy to watch his vote, and he was gone.
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tmodelt

join:2010-05-06
Fletcher, NC
reply to Kristopher
Ok after knowing who I protected last night. We have 2 options either whoever chose not to kill anyone or They tried to Kill Navy and I protected him from it. I am almost willing to look at the second option and say Navy was the killers target. Let me know what you guys think about this?


Dezbend
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reply to Meningitis
his targeted questioning shows he wants to understand what is going on before he votes... usually a sane thing to do.

who is on your bad list (besides me)?
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Dezbend
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reply to tmodelt
I still haven't wrapped my head around the two kills per night.

I started out thinking it was town one-off kills + batman, but Joker kill + batman kill is probably more likely (here is another example of what gomez said to me that made sense!).

so yes you probably protected him, but not from batman, so that does not mean he is not mafia, but probably not joker.

Would you please protect me tonight?
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Dezbend
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hang on, I have to go back through the dead town roles... didn't we have some killers that could account for the extra deaths... brb
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Dezbend
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Krisnatharok was Killer Croc and had one kill.

Ekster was killed by a “very sharp knife”

Krisnatharok was killed by “multiple stab wounds”

Krisnatharok could have killed Ekster or killed himself via a nexus or busdriver type role… but who killed the other?

So yes we have another killer alive (joker?), who has only struck once.

Is this because it was a one-off kill or were they stopped twice?
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Dezbend
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won't be online tonight.


Gomez
ha ha, charade you are
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join:2001-02-21
Atlanta, GA
reply to Kristopher
A few thoughts in summary:

Dez: I'm assuming Krisen killed Atony on day 1.

tmodelt: Curious about the protection last night. Why not Protus? He seemed to most useful known role at the time.

Men's understanding of how things work is flawed. One only needs look at any of the player/action matrixes that game mods post in order to see it's on a player by player basis. Don't like this 'lack of knowledge' being used to quantify his alignment in the future, given that future has a strong possibility of not happening.

Additionally I did some research over lunch. The following is useful: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ba···aracters.

Interestingly, the Batman roles (yes, multiple) specifically states that Batman died and came back to life. ("[....] After returning from his apparent death and disappearance at the hands of Darkseid,[...]"). There is also a villain resurrection, So mapping a lazurus type role to a character could go either way.

P.S. We've got a major system upgrade planned for tonight, so I'll likely be away for times.
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Kristopher
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Tyrinaria
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reply to Kristopher
Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 4

tmodelt - 1 - navyet2sw (L-3)
Dezbend - 1 - Meningitis (L-3)

Players not voting: chlen, Dezbend, Gomez, tmodelt
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Gomez
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Atlanta, GA
reply to Kristopher
Upgrade done. No causalities

Additional thoughts.

On the above, while the lazurus role could go either way, I'm inclined to believe it's town.

From todays game play Men is bad. To much FUD, future validation.. I general a very bad vibe.

My two leading candidates were Dez and Menigitis. Dez because the the claim is the perfect cover. Thus the questioning yesterday.

But the recollection of the early confusion seems to make that gambit have some low probability. Every time I think Dez has some elaborate scheme behind his fake claim, I'm wrong. So I'll go with guts and write it off.. Kudus to you sir if I'm wrong.

The more likely scenario is Meningitis is the Joker/Bomber, and is justifiably concerned with the win tomorrow, and wants the Dez lynch as he's a threat. Thus the vote. (Mafia goon(s), please take note).

That vote is also possibly the swing vote on the vote train FOS to Navy last night on his vote. (P.S. Men, it's well known I play at night usually between 7 and midnight.. I didn't just 'go away' as you suggested, I went to bed.)

The concern as mentioned above is the tmodelt claim. There was a discussion with protus about his ability and his intent to use it to try to delay things. A competent Doc would have picked up on that and protected him. That didn't happen. What did happen could very well be CYA claim.

Open to discuss.
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tmodelt

join:2010-05-06
Fletcher, NC
I am the Doc so believe what you want to. I find it funny that you keep letting Dezs play slide. Are you protecting your partner? The only thing that confuses me about it is you say him and Men are Scum so I am now wondering if you are throwing your partner under the bus or just moving attention off you.


Meningitis
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reply to Gomez
said by Gomez:

From todays game play Men is bad. To much FUD, future validation.. I general a very bad vibe.

My two leading candidates were Dez and Menigitis. Dez because the the claim is the perfect cover. Thus the questioning yesterday.

I don't think so. At this point I'm convinced you and Dez are Mafia. Dez's claim is the perfect cover?? Really? That you even buy that claim shows he and you are together.

said by Gomez:

The more likely scenario is Meningitis is the Joker/Bomber, and is justifiably concerned with the win tomorrow, and wants the Dez lynch as he's a threat. Thus the vote. (Mafia goon(s), please take note).

That's funny stuff. Dezbend is no threat. He's not even a threat to the bomber. Lets say for a min that I am the Joker/Bomber (I'm not but let's entertain that). I welcome Dez to cut the wire. 1 in 3 chance (as he claims) for him to help me with the work I've set out to do? Please, have at it.

said by Gomez:

That vote is also possibly the swing vote on the vote train FOS to Navy last night on his vote. (P.S. Men, it's well known I play at night usually between 7 and midnight.. I didn't just 'go away' as you suggested, I went to bed.)

I know it's well known you only play at night. I know. My point was that you didn't make a point. I was laying out the events before you went offline.

said by Gomez:

The concern as mentioned above is the tmodelt claim. There was a discussion with protus about his ability and his intent to use it to try to delay things. A competent Doc would have picked up on that and protected him. That didn't happen. What did happen could very well be CYA claim.

Open to discuss.

Here's what I think... I think you and Dezbend are mafia. That you and him are trying to cover each other, and that you buy his claim shows that. He doesn't have the power he claims to, and you know this. And to win, you're perfectly willing to throw him under the bus so to speak.
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Dezbend
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reply to Kristopher
I am in meetings all morning. Will try to check in at lunch, but I am not sure if I will be able to.
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
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join:2001-01-16
Saratoga, NY
reply to tmodelt
said by tmodelt:

I am the Doc so believe what you want to. I find it funny that you keep letting Dezs play slide. Are you protecting your partner? The only thing that confuses me about it is you say him and Men are Scum so I am now wondering if you are throwing your partner under the bus or just moving attention off you.

only one way i guess....

vote gomez
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Kristopher
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reply to Kristopher
Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 4

tmodelt - 1 - navyet2sw (L-3)
Gomez - 1 - chlen (L-3)
Dezbend - 1 - Meningitis (L-3)

Players not voting: Dezbend, Gomez, tmodelt
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tmodelt

join:2010-05-06
Fletcher, NC
reply to chlen
care to give us your input on anyone's play?


chlen
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Saratoga, NY
said by tmodelt:

care to give us your input on anyone's play?

Well I believe your claim....

I am weary of dez and gomez because they seem to be playing off each other. Dez has tried to go after the easy fish a few times in this game like people who have messed up in conversation but were subsequently innocent or inactives. Men can be innocent as well but there would have to be a lot of conditions met for this to be true... and he stated those conditions out in his post.

So while I think realistically it is between men and dez, I am not jumping on a wagon and would like to vote gomez who in my opinion seems to be playing both sides.

Realistically I am a bit hampered because of my low participation in the game until yesterday.
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navyet2sw
Damned is in My Room

join:2001-12-09
Virginia Beach, VA
reply to Kristopher
wow the fud has started today.

i have a few things that have piqued my interest today.

1. every night we have had 2 night "kills" batman takes 1 back to arkham, and someone else kills one of us at night. except for last night. Why was there no second kill? was it a failure? was he only allowed x number of kills?

2. i don't see today how we need dez. today is LOL or lynch or die by bomb. how can you say that with a 1 in 3 chance we need you? I am not saying we should lynch you, but there has to be more info your not divulging. I am also not sure the game would be setup that if mafia had killed you early in the game, it was an automatic loss at 5 days. what if the mafia put the joker in arkham night 1, and you night 2, that is an automatic loss scenario. or if the joker killed you night one, and we lynched the joker day 2?

3. thinking properly, what powers would you give the joker? lazarus, limited kills, unlimited kills? extra life? unlynchable?
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chlen
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said by navyet2sw:

wow the fud has started today.

i have a few things that have piqued my interest today.

1. every night we have had 2 night "kills" batman takes 1 back to arkham, and someone else kills one of us at night. except for last night. Why was there no second kill? was it a failure? was he only allowed x number of kills?

2. i don't see today how we need dez. today is LOL or lynch or die by bomb. how can you say that with a 1 in 3 chance we need you? I am not saying we should lynch you, but there has to be more info your not divulging. I am also not sure the game would be setup that if mafia had killed you early in the game, it was an automatic loss at 5 days. what if the mafia put the joker in arkham night 1, and you night 2, that is an automatic loss scenario. or if the joker killed you night one, and we lynched the joker day 2?

3. thinking properly, what powers would you give the joker? lazarus, limited kills, unlimited kills? extra life? unlynchable?

I'm the lazarus and already used up my extra life.
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Gomez
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reply to tmodelt
said by tmodelt:

I am the Doc so believe what you want to. I find it funny that you keep letting Dezs play slide. Are you protecting your partner? The only thing that confuses me about it is you say him and Men are Scum so I am now wondering if you are throwing your partner under the bus or just moving attention off you.

1) What attention are speaking of? Didn't really have any until the last posts, which was is expected of course. Forcing discussion often results in information, and I'm not beyond doing so.

2) I'll be happy discuss why I think the claim is viable from both metagaming Dez, and the unlikely hood of the early name/role and the claim aligning so well. Again, could be wrong. This is why we discuss.

3) You've refuted nothing, but have gone totally defensive on the question. Note, I've not voted you. This is just standard questioning.

So again,

Yesterday (Game day) there was discussion with Protus and his ability and ultimately how it works. If he hit the right person (a night killer) we had a possibility of delaying a kill. The Doc did not protect him.

Why did you, our claimed Doc, not protect the person most obviously in need of protection?
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Dezbend
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join:2001-04-20
reply to Kristopher
I don't know if much more discussion will change my mind at all.

I fos'd chlen because I wasn't sure and I wanted to bring that back up... still not sure, so not voting him today.

gomez always plays as if he is town, but I am buying his goods this game. I believe tmodelt's claim... mainly as there was no counter.

so my vote goes to navy or meningitis, neither of whom have a current vote on them, so...

vote: navyet2sw

if I had a second vote it would be on men, or vice versa.
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