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Re: Pathetic You are so ignorant to the truth (by choice I am guessing). I really suggest you go back and review the history of these companies and you will see the opposite is true of all you argue.
First off, ALL of these companies built the current networks under great subsidies given to them. Whether or not they were given cash to do it is not relevant. They were always given advantages and have prospered quite nicely under this. Look at the quarterly earnings of just the 3 biggest phone companies. They could deploy FTTH to everyone they serve and pay cash to do it over the next 5 years.
Secondly, while the companies whine and complain about how this bill and that regulation is going to just stifle innovation and prevent them from making a living it has proven wrong every time. They did the exact same thing leading up to the 1996 act and then within 2 years of it being implemented they themselves cut back on providing the very services they pushed for. They took billions in subsidies and then stopped deploying. Even back then they themselves defined broadband as 45mbps symmetrical and now they fight to have it raised to be defined as a measly 3mbps. You look at the countries that took parts of the 1996 act we created and actually implemented it and they are flourishing compared to the US. Why? Because they used it to create competition while our worthless incumbents were busying lawyering up and trying to dismantle it.
Third, your argument of WISP above is just silly. The entire reason WISP are even out there is because of the barriers of entry and the unwillingness of the incumbents to actually wire the places. So if they were required to do so WISP would no longer be needed and their worthless bandwidth would go away or be a perk on top of actual broadband.
Lastly, your choice to try to blow smoke here isnt going to go well. You have maybe 2 or 3 other shills that will try to help you out but a majority of the people here are educated and knowledgeable enough to see through the BS you and the others will be flinging. |
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| As far as MSOs rights to deploy into a City are NOT subsidies. NOTHING was given to them except being able to serve those cities; especially when it is NOT cost bearable to over build in MOST areas. RCN has already seen that issue. Look how many times they've been sold. Look at VZ- their TV service has a HUGE drop in numbers compared to what they protected and want. ATT is the same way. Overbuilding is NOT something that makes sense.
As defending broadband as 45mbps that was VZ that did that. NOT ATT. that has been on here before as VZ making claims that they could do that to PA. Which really they did. It is available and it is available to anyone. Place the order and pay for it. It's simple.
They don't fight to define broadband at 3megs. Only because the FCC has NO power over that. That's the whole point you fail to see. The FCC has NO POWER OVER THE INTERNET. Got it? I'm sure you don't. Competition is NOT created when you wholesale/resell a product. That is only creating a leach that will NEVER do anything else with the product. Why should I build out a network and then let you come along and resell it just so you can provide your own service? You didn't spend anything on the network. I did. And thats the same way these companies feel. And the only real countries that did anything with reselling/wholesaling was France and GB. And see where Canada is left with their wholesaling/reselling issue? they're pretty much stuck on 6meg DSL which is the way the US would be if it wasn't for killing line sharing on that or on new networks.
And no my argument on WISPs is not silly. The OP at the stop said ALL carriers. WISPs are a carrier and thus should be required to do wholesale/resell as well. What is good for one company IS good for all. Means of getting the product to the customer does not matter. Especially when you're treating the Internet as Title II.
And people being educated on here? Not really. They just fail to see the real picture on how things work and thats the problem with this site. Nobody knows how the real works; just what they want and demand it. Sorry; things don't work that way. If you want something different then- you need to do 1 of two things; Build it yourself- or 2 shut up about it cause it will NEVER happen. But not on here- this site just lets you bitch about it and let those voices over rule everyone elese's opinions because it is not what the majority thinks nor sees. |
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said by Skippy25:Third, your argument of WISP above is just silly. The entire reason WISP are even out there is because of the barriers of entry and the unwillingness of the incumbents to actually wire the places. So if they were required to do so WISP would no longer be needed and their worthless bandwidth would go away or be a perk on top of actual broadband.
That is probably one of the most arrogant comments I have ever read here. WE as WISP's are here because places exist that you can't wire and actually have a return on your investment. Like the guys 20 miles out of town down a dirt road, with a 2 mile long driveway. Cost to install with fiber for that one individual, a quarter million dollars or better.. I dont know about your WISP, but we have 6 meg plans, and I know of others that have 10-20meg (actual) plans.
We are also here, BECAUSE of incumbents that don't provide good service, have foreign tech support, don't care about "people" or their "families" and also don't even know the area we live in. We are here to serve people.. Oh, and guess what, almost none of us have ever gotten a dime from the Government. We built our networks from good old fashion business plans, conservity with our finaces, hard work, and customers that asked us to be in business. Go flippen figure Skippy25. |
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I didnt bother reading your entire message after you completely discredited your statements by saying "especially when it is NOT cost bearable to over build in MOST areas." and "Overbuilding is NOT something that makes sense." So what you are saying is that they should continue to have a protected monopoly / duopoly that allows them to earn a much larger profit through charging the customer more than they could in a competitive market. Which by the way is the #1 subsidy they have received and continue to receive. NICE! |
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Call it what you want, but it is wireless and wireless will never compete with wired.
You substantiated my entire claim when you said "WE as WISP's are here because places exist that you can't wire and actually have a return on your investment."
I am not questioning your business plan nor how good or bad you may be. I am simply stating that the incumbents should have been before and should be now required to build out to ALL regardless of cost because they have received enough subsidies over the decades to do so. |
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| They have built to almost if not all.. its called telephone lines. That was USF's initial purpose. Just because it doesn't support "x"meg/sec. Isn't a fault of the telco's. But, that whole topic is much larger then that. |
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| totally agree with you gunther_01. Where I used to live was 10 miles out side of the city. We were lucky to get 14.4k dial-up and have it work. The area is STILL only lucky to get that unless you go to Hughes/WildBlue or a Cell Carrier. They have WISPs that are available now- but TWC and ATT will tell you that it is NOT cost bearable to wire that far out of the city and make any ROI. You get a telephone. you get Dish/DirecTV. But the fact is like you said; it will cost a good million+ to even get FTTH out there. And hope 5 people sign up- and that 5 people where ALL a half mile to over a mile apart. |
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