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Re: Gee...

Fri, 01 Apr 2011 14:48:38 EDT

Crookshanks posted :

Investors siphon money from expanding and building infrastructure from a very profitable company.

That profit incentive is the reason why they invested the money in the first place. That's how capitalism works.

We've gotten a lot of excesses in the modern age (CEO salaries and toothless Boards of Directors come to mind) but you are seemingly taking issue with the foundation of our system itself. I doubt you'll find a very sympathetic audience for your viewpoint outside of the extreme left wing.

Re: Gee...

Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:49:10 EDT

anon posted : exactly.

Re: Gee...

Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:11:25 EDT

ind_ed posted : Common man,

You know, Its the Ceo's and the few others at the top that suck these
company's dry for everything there worth, then cry crocodile tears about
having to raise prices, so they can repeat the raiding of cash for them self's
over and over again.

You hear about 100 million CEO salerys, like its no big deal, were do you think
the money comes from? foolish Investor's and inflated consumer prices
remember for every cent you personally make off a stock a ceo makes
around a hundred dollars. not to mention when you add all CEO salerys
up and the inflated prices of everything that causes, throughout a avg workers
life the stock market as it is now is destroying any decent quality of life for the
masses.

Think this is BS
Look at your Portfolio, check out what YOU made from owning a particular
company's stock then compare that to what a CEO and a few other top exc
got paid during that time period and you will see, its nothing but a ponzi
scheme, thats kept alive only by increasing consumer prices.

Someone once told me, wall street was nothing more then one giant booky
I said please don't give bookys a bad name, gambling doesn't effect food,
gas or housing prices for millions of workers on a national scale. causing
starvation and wars over oil, so a few could live like kings

Re: Gee...

Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:06:37 EDT

openbox9 posted : Equity isn't everything, companies often sell debt to finance business expansion. Don't forget secondary equity offerings when they do happen. Stock price is important to a publicly traded company. Perhaps you are discussing dividends with your siphoning claim?

Re: Gee...

Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:22:02 EDT

Skippy25 posted : Capital is only provided to the company upon the initial sale of the stock. Beyond that, it is investors siphoning off the profits of a company that could be reinvested into it.

Re: Gee...

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:10:39 EDT

djrobx posted : T1's are dinosaurs. 1.5mbps is barely broadband by today's standards, and you wanna divide that up between a few neighbors? No thanks. My current internet is 16x faster down and 2x faster up. I think I'd rather just pay the overages. Even TWC's crappy plan capped itself at $75 for overages, which would make it cheaper than a T1.

I'm actually not opposed to UBB, but companies like Time Warner and AT&T will never do such a thing reasonably. 20GB cap for standard plan is too low, and $1 per gig for an overage is much too high.

How about lowering the baseline price so light users see some benefit?
How about realistic volume pricing?

Won't do the above? Then continue with your fat profits and leave the current system alone.

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Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:05:43 EDT

openbox9 posted : Don't know, and I really don't care since Disney is a major reason as to why pay TV costs continue to increase. Anyway, cable + 2(sat) + IPTV appears to give you four choices for ESPN porn.

Re: Gee...

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:40:06 EDT

ArrayList posted : Where else can I get ESPN other than the regular 3 sources? Cable/Sat/IPTV?

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Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:12:19 EDT

openbox9 posted :

said by ArrayList:

Pay TV only increases in price because the market hasn't stabilized yet. The powers that be realized that they can get away with charging more and more for the service and people keep paying for it.

Thanks for solidifying my point. The market is still willing to bear price increases.

said by ArrayList:

There is no competition therefore the products will just go up in price all the time.

No competition in the pay TV market?

Re: Gee...

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:46:35 EDT

rebus9 posted :

said by Wilsdom:

and if the top 25% of bandwidth users canceled TWC's profit would probably only increase.

How so?

The network is currently supporting those users and still has some excess capacity available (headroom). If the hogs dropped out, all you'd have is more UNUSED capacity, NOT lower costs, because the ISP will not DOWNGRADE the network if utilization drops a few percent.

So you've lost the monthly revenue those ex-customers were paying, and ended up with more of something that's (now) sitting there un-used.

Given a choice between (a) having unused/slack capacity, or (b) filling up some of that slack capacity with paying customers, as a business owner I would choose 'b'.

You act like bandwidth is a rare-earth element (and only finite quantities exist) and those 500 bandwidth hogs paying $49/month are taking up resources which COULD BE given to 5,000 grandmothers at $49/month.

And that's just NOT the case.

Bandwidth is plentiful, and getting MORE plentiful every year. AND the cost to acquire/deliver that bandwidth is going down. This is nothing more than (another attempted) money grab by TWC.

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Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:38:46 EDT

anon posted : The cost of T1 has come down low enough that several people in a neighborhood could share one or two and each person kick in an equal share of the price.

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Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:27:53 EDT

ArrayList posted :

said by openbox9:

We're a consumption, gotta have it, society and many aren't willing to make that sacrifice. Witness the continuing cost increases in pay TV.

customers do sacrifice for new infrastructure. they pay their monthly fees.

Pay TV only increases in price because the market hasn't stabilized yet. The powers that be realized that they can get away with charging more and more for the service and people keep paying for it. There is no competition therefore the products will just go up in price all the time.

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Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:48:39 EDT

openbox9 posted : From your perspective maybe. From the perspective of the financial world (what truly matters ;)), investors provide capital to enable that expansion and infrastructure build to make a profitable company even more profitable.

Re: Gee...

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:42:28 EDT

Skippy25 posted : Investors siphon money from expanding and building infrastructure from a very profitable company.

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Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:41:19 EDT

openbox9 posted :

said by megarock:

When an internet provider is attending not a tech conference but a BANKING conference it should give you the full indication of who TWC is in bed with.

It's an investor conference. Where do you think money comes from to expand capacity and build infrastructure? Paying customers are only one piece.

said by megarock:

The only way to stop them is to stop the flow of money and if that means shutting off your internet for a few months isn't that worth the loss to save the internet you've been using for years?

We're a consumption, gotta have it, society and many aren't willing to make that sacrifice. Witness the continuing cost increases in pay TV.

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Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:21:52 EDT

Wilsdom posted : Probably less than 40% of customers would even notice the new pricing, and if the top 25% of bandwidth users canceled TWC's profit would probably only increase. Even if there was a slowdown in profit growth, a price increase on existing accounts would bring things back to normal.

Gee...

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:05:21 EDT

megarock posted : When an internet provider is attending not a tech conference but a BANKING conference it should give you the full indication of who TWC is in bed with. If a company has profited repeatedly over the years then tell the consumer the only way they can survive is to charge you more money (unless of course you sign up for 150 channels of useless cable TV service) then one can consider it bull.

Only problem is people here in the US have their heads up their collective butts instead of sitting on their elected officials until they support a free and open internet and not one controlled by people who's sole and only motive is increased profits. If the people here stand up like they did in Canada these companies will either back off or upset the customers which in turn will upset profits when in turn - upsets the stockholders.

The only way to stop them is to stop the flow of money and if that means shutting off your internet for a few months isn't that worth the loss to save the internet you've been using for years? No money, no profits. No profits = unhappy stockholders. End of story. Contact your local officials and if your provider imposes caps and outrageous fees SHUT IT OFF and find another provider if possible. Those who take care of their customers deserve to get our business. Those who do not need to be put out of business. Since all these companies have debts to pay if their income is strangled they'll have to back down.