xcimoEbox 60Mbps
join:2007-11-21
Gatineau, QC Reviews:
 ·Videotron
 ·ELECTRONICBOX
 ·voip.ms
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Re: Anyone using Unblock-us? said by corster:said by sm5w2:Wouldn't custom entries in my hosts file allow me to simulate what Unblock-US is doing?
Finally, how long before Netflix servers themselves perform IP-based geolocating and geo-blocking?
No, and they already do. Netflix checks IP when you load the homepage and when you load a video. Same with services like Hulu. Sure but if unblock.us does it with a purly dns based solution, there must be a way around it. |
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 sm5w2
join:2004-10-13
St Thomas, ON
1 edit | > Sure but if unblock.us does it with a purly dns based solution
Can someone explain exactly how a "dns-based location solution" is performed?
Edit: Ok, so it's basically a DNS server that is hooked into a database of IP subnet records organized according to the operational desire of the DNS owner/operator. Those desires may simply be network efficiency (give a DNS result that is the shortest path between the target machine and the machine doing the query) or it may be content redirection or blocking, etc (give a requestor in country "A" a response that is also located in country "A").
I can see all sorts of holes in this, such as how do you deal with DNS caching that might be happening in various places on the network, but beyond that it just seems that if you set your DNS server setting in your OS to point to a server in the target country (ie - the USA, like 4.2.2.2) then you've fooled this DNS-based location method into thinking that you're in the US.
Beyond that, if you know the FQDN's of the US machines that you want to pull content from, simply hard-code their real US IP address into your hosts file. |
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join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC
·TekSavvy Cable
| As far as I can tell, the way the service works is that the DNS redirects traffic to selected domains through their own proxy, as opposed to directly to the domain. Anything that isn't one of the selected sites doesn't go through the proxy.
Pretty sure using this service, if you looked up Netflix by IP as opposed to Netflix.com, it would send you to the Canadian one.
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| I used this service for a bit of time.
I changed my dns settings in windows .
left my router alone.
and i was watching hulu and netflix usa just fine.
not sure how it works but it does |
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xcimoEbox 60Mbps
join:2007-11-21
Gatineau, QC | reply to SpongeGuard
Can someone post traceroute with and without? |
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corsterPremium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
| On my Bell connection with Unblock-us:
traceroute to www.netflix.com (50.22.86.51), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 rosewill (192.168.1.1) 1.620 ms 0.968 ms 1.143 ms
2 bas1-ottawa09_lo0_symp.net.bell.ca (64.230.200.132) 10.841 ms 10.082 ms 9.897 ms
3 dis32-ottawa23_4-2-0_100.net.bell.ca (64.230.57.60) 9.654 ms 52.560 ms 9.332 ms
4 bx6-newyork83_xe3-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.187.158) 21.826 ms
bx6-newyork83_xe1-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.187.170) 24.402 ms
bx6-newyork83_xe3-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.187.158) 21.056 ms
5 te1-7.bbr01.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com (198.32.160.27) 24.506 ms 27.842 ms 23.076 ms
6 po1.bbr02.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com (173.192.18.177) 23.663 ms 22.922 ms 21.541 ms
7 po4.bbr01.eq01.wdc02.networklayer.com (173.192.18.156) 29.396 ms 32.987 ms 39.435 ms
8 po3.bbr02.tl01.atl01.networklayer.com (173.192.18.153) 41.398 ms 39.662 ms 37.215 ms
9 po7.bbr02.eq01.dal01.networklayer.com (173.192.18.134) 51.214 ms 52.585 ms 51.166 ms
10 ae5.dar02.sr01.dal07.networklayer.com (173.192.18.181) 51.356 ms 62.515 ms 54.380 ms
11 po2.fcr01.sr01.dal07.networklayer.com (50.22.118.133) 57.228 ms 54.654 ms 52.781 ms
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On my Bell connection with Google DNS:
traceroute to www.netflix.com (208.75.76.17), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.792 ms 1.068 ms 0.944 ms
2 bas1-ottawa09_lo0_symp.net.bell.ca (64.230.200.132) 9.649 ms 9.569 ms 9.758 ms
3 dis32-ottawa23_4-2-0_100.net.bell.ca (64.230.57.60) 9.800 ms 9.632 ms 9.835 ms
4 bx4-montreal02_pos5-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.186) 99.132 ms
bx4-montreal02_pos3-1-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.190) 11.647 ms
bx4-montreal02_pos5-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.186) 12.077 ms
5 limelight_bx4-montreal02.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.182) 11.883 ms 13.121 ms 11.527 ms
6 tge11-2.fr4.lga.llnw.net (68.142.80.241) 25.414 ms 23.275 ms 23.284 ms
7 tge1-2.fr3.lga.llnw.net (69.28.171.201) 23.298 ms 39.342 ms 31.344 ms
8 tge13-1.fr3.iad.llnw.net (69.28.189.30) 35.747 ms
tge2-4.fr3.iad.llnw.net (69.28.171.157) 33.100 ms 29.164 ms
9 netflix.tge4-2.fr3.iad.llnw.net (69.28.157.14) 29.527 ms 34.410 ms 28.752 ms
10 xe-0-0-0-100.jnrt-edge01.sv1.netflix.com (69.53.230.213) 92.688 ms 92.368 ms 92.279 ms
11 xe-2-2-0-954.jnrt-edge01.prod1.netflix.com (69.53.225.26) 90.734 ms 90.693 ms 90.390 ms
12 te1-8.csrt-agg01.prod1.netflix.com (69.53.225.6) 90.626 ms 90.611 ms 90.609 ms
13 www.dc1.netflix.com (208.75.76.17) 90.700 ms 90.450 ms 90.625
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xcimoEbox 60Mbps
join:2007-11-21
Gatineau, QC | reply to SpongeGuard
Looks like you end-up on a server that has nothing to do with netflix.. So they are probably proxying the data from that point.. |
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sm5w2
join:2004-10-13
St Thomas, ON | reply to SpongeGuard
There seems to be a hack or work-around to be able to get hu-loo in this country (I'm using phraseology here so that hu-lou won't find this easily if they're looking for stuff like this). This hack involves getting this firefox add-on: Modify Headers 0.7.0.2 (» addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox···headers/) and adding "X-Forwarded-For" header to what your browser normally sends out to web servers when it's accessing content. The argument or value to supply along with that header is an IP address. In this case, we want to use a US IP address - any address we know to be in the USA (no traffic will actually be routed through this address). That header line is used to tell a web server what your real IP address is if you're going through a proxy. So in this case we're trying to fool hu-lou into thinking that we're in the USA because it's probably looking for that header. I don't think you actually have to use a US-based proxy for this to work. Now, there seems to several other things you have to do, such as 1) Add "hulu.cust.footprint.net" to your hosts file, or add it to your firewall out-bound rules (I would think that adding it to your hosts file is faster and easier and does the same thing). 2) add various IP addresses to your out-bound firewall settings. These include 206.33.62.126, 198.78.201.126, 207.109.221.177, 207.109.221.184. All on port 80. 3) add to more rules to your out-bound firewall setting. One for UDP, one for TCP. The port you're blocking is 1935. It seems that some combination of 1, 2 and 3 will allow you to get hoo-lou on Chrome without the modify-headers add-on, and if so then presumably that would also be the case with any browser. Hoo-lou seems to be able to catch on about the X Forwarded header and might (or will) eventually block the IP address being used, but when that happens all you need to do is change the address slightly and you're back in business. This hack seems to also work for TheDailyShow.com, and ColbertNation.com. External references: » www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments···_method/» ohryan.ca/blog/2010/11/06/how-to···-method/» www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/···/c0c267a. |
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join:2001-10-02
NorthAmerica
kudos:2
 ·FreedomPop
3 edits | reply to sm5w2
Anyone ever have a problem getting Netflix USA to stream on multiple device(s) / computer(s) in same household (out of area message), but still have Pandora and Hulu Plus working with UnblockUs? Mind you, the American Netflix account in question works at other Canadian locations.
For some reason, Netflix USA is the only American service not functioning under UnblockUs at a friend's place.
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corsterPremium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
| said by bbbc:Anyone ever have a problem getting Netflix USA to stream on multiple device(s) / computer(s) in same household (out of area message), but still have Pandora and Hulu Plus working with UnblockUs?
Never tried Pandora, but haven't had an issue using Hulu Plus while using Netflix on my Wii and Computer.
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cog_biz_useri ruin threads apparently
join:2011-04-19
Hamilton, ON | reply to SpongeGuard
hotspot shield for american stuff (hulu)
expat shield for european stuff (bbc)
it's all i've ever needed.  |
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I just signed up for the free trial of this, but now am hesitant. Logging into online banking, etc with changed DNS seems questionable. Those of you already using Unblock-US, do you guys just use the internet as before?
I am considering getting a second router (cheapy) and running Unblock-US through one and running the 2nd for all other internet needs. Would this work? |
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| said by dmacgreg:I just signed up for the free trial of this, but now am hesitant. Logging into online banking, etc with changed DNS seems questionable. Those of you already using Unblock-US, do you guys just use the internet as before?
I am considering getting a second router (cheapy) and running Unblock-US through one and running the 2nd for all other internet needs. Would this work?
I have been doing all my banking and other internet stuff normally even though I have added the unblock us DNS to my router. |
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corsterPremium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
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said by dmacgreg:I just signed up for the free trial of this, but now am hesitant. Logging into online banking, etc with changed DNS seems questionable. Those of you already using Unblock-US, do you guys just use the internet as before?
If you do a tracert, you can see that using the Unblock-US service, only the websites on their list redirect through their proxy, any other website is resolved as normal.
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| I don't know what a tracert is, but that is reassuring though, as people here seem to be confident of the security of the program. |
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 eksterHi there.
join:2010-07-16
Lachine, QC
kudos:2
·FreePhoneLine
·TekSavvy DSL
| If you're using a device other than your computer for Netflix and are worried about security, I believe you can just set the router's DNS to whatever they give you, then change it on your computer from 'obtain automatically' to the DNS IP you have now. Like that, your computer would use whatever you have now, but everything else would use unblock-us' new DNS. |
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I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.
I recently wrote an article about the best ways to set up a VPN connection based on my own experiences:
»vpn-geek.com/netflix/how-to-watc···-the-us/ |
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| said by VPNgeek:I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.
I recently wrote an article about the best ways to set up a VPN connection based on my own experiences:
»vpn-geek.com/netflix/how-to-watc···-the-us/
Anyone smell shameless self promotion?
By the nature of what a vpn is, it's highly unlikely that your "hide my ass vpn pro" is even remotely faster than a dns redirect. |
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said by VPNgeek:I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.
Reliable? In what way? HideMyAss was the one who gave away their users to the cops in the UK.
Why would anyone use them? |
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unblock-us works, but how do you pay? unblock-us works perfectly for American Netflix, hulu, hulu plus, & vudu. Never had any problems. We used to go through another proxy server, but I rather pay $5 a month and have someone else keep on top of things.
The difficult part is how do you pay Netflix? vudu is easy, as long as you have a legitimate credit card, it doesn't care what country it was issued from.
Netflix is different. Up till now, it was easy because I have family in Detroit, so they just put it on their credit card, and I send them a check once a year. Unfortunately because of a family fall out, I no longer feel comfortable imposing on them.
I have confirmed that gift credit cards don't work, even if you register them for on-line use. Paypal also doesn't work (I suspect that it passes the info to Netflix that the credit card is not American).
I am thinking of creating a new American Netflix account (which no longer asks you for your physical address), and try using my regular credit card with the append zero work-around.
My last resort is just to sign up for a Canadian Netflix account, which will allow me to access the American site using unblock-us, but the problem is it may stop working in the future. I rather have an American account. |
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