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xcimo
Ebox 60Mbps

join:2007-11-21
Gatineau, QC
reply to corster

Re: Anyone using Unblock-us?

said by corster:

said by sm5w2:

Wouldn't custom entries in my hosts file allow me to simulate what Unblock-US is doing?

Finally, how long before Netflix servers themselves perform IP-based geolocating and geo-blocking?

No, and they already do.

Netflix checks IP when you load the homepage and when you load a video. Same with services like Hulu.

Sure but if unblock.us does it with a purly dns based solution, there must be a way around it.


sm5w2
Premium
join:2004-10-13
St Thomas, ON

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> Sure but if unblock.us does it with a purly dns based solution

Can someone explain exactly how a "dns-based location solution" is performed?

Edit: Ok, so it's basically a DNS server that is hooked into a database of IP subnet records organized according to the operational desire of the DNS owner/operator. Those desires may simply be network efficiency (give a DNS result that is the shortest path between the target machine and the machine doing the query) or it may be content redirection or blocking, etc (give a requestor in country "A" a response that is also located in country "A").

I can see all sorts of holes in this, such as how do you deal with DNS caching that might be happening in various places on the network, but beyond that it just seems that if you set your DNS server setting in your OS to point to a server in the target country (ie - the USA, like 4.2.2.2) then you've fooled this DNS-based location method into thinking that you're in the US.

Beyond that, if you know the FQDN's of the US machines that you want to pull content from, simply hard-code their real US IP address into your hosts file.



corster
Premium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC

As far as I can tell, the way the service works is that the DNS redirects traffic to selected domains through their own proxy, as opposed to directly to the domain. Anything that isn't one of the selected sites doesn't go through the proxy.

Pretty sure using this service, if you looked up Netflix by IP as opposed to Netflix.com, it would send you to the Canadian one.
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LastDon

join:2002-08-13

I used this service for a bit of time.

I changed my dns settings in windows .

left my router alone.

and i was watching hulu and netflix usa just fine.

not sure how it works but it does


xcimo
Ebox 60Mbps

join:2007-11-21
Gatineau, QC
reply to SpongeGuard

Can someone post traceroute with and without?



corster
Premium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC

On my Bell connection with Unblock-us:
traceroute to www.netflix.com (50.22.86.51), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 rosewill (192.168.1.1) 1.620 ms 0.968 ms 1.143 ms
2 bas1-ottawa09_lo0_symp.net.bell.ca (64.230.200.132) 10.841 ms 10.082 ms 9.897 ms
3 dis32-ottawa23_4-2-0_100.net.bell.ca (64.230.57.60) 9.654 ms 52.560 ms 9.332 ms
4 bx6-newyork83_xe3-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.187.158) 21.826 ms
bx6-newyork83_xe1-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.187.170) 24.402 ms
bx6-newyork83_xe3-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.187.158) 21.056 ms
5 te1-7.bbr01.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com (198.32.160.27) 24.506 ms 27.842 ms 23.076 ms
6 po1.bbr02.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com (173.192.18.177) 23.663 ms 22.922 ms 21.541 ms
7 po4.bbr01.eq01.wdc02.networklayer.com (173.192.18.156) 29.396 ms 32.987 ms 39.435 ms
8 po3.bbr02.tl01.atl01.networklayer.com (173.192.18.153) 41.398 ms 39.662 ms 37.215 ms
9 po7.bbr02.eq01.dal01.networklayer.com (173.192.18.134) 51.214 ms 52.585 ms 51.166 ms
10 ae5.dar02.sr01.dal07.networklayer.com (173.192.18.181) 51.356 ms 62.515 ms 54.380 ms
11 po2.fcr01.sr01.dal07.networklayer.com (50.22.118.133) 57.228 ms 54.654 ms 52.781 ms
12 * * *

On my Bell connection with Google DNS:
traceroute to www.netflix.com (208.75.76.17), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.792 ms 1.068 ms 0.944 ms
2 bas1-ottawa09_lo0_symp.net.bell.ca (64.230.200.132) 9.649 ms 9.569 ms 9.758 ms
3 dis32-ottawa23_4-2-0_100.net.bell.ca (64.230.57.60) 9.800 ms 9.632 ms 9.835 ms
4 bx4-montreal02_pos5-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.186) 99.132 ms
bx4-montreal02_pos3-1-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.190) 11.647 ms
bx4-montreal02_pos5-0-0.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.186) 12.077 ms
5 limelight_bx4-montreal02.net.bell.ca (64.230.169.182) 11.883 ms 13.121 ms 11.527 ms
6 tge11-2.fr4.lga.llnw.net (68.142.80.241) 25.414 ms 23.275 ms 23.284 ms
7 tge1-2.fr3.lga.llnw.net (69.28.171.201) 23.298 ms 39.342 ms 31.344 ms
8 tge13-1.fr3.iad.llnw.net (69.28.189.30) 35.747 ms
tge2-4.fr3.iad.llnw.net (69.28.171.157) 33.100 ms 29.164 ms
9 netflix.tge4-2.fr3.iad.llnw.net (69.28.157.14) 29.527 ms 34.410 ms 28.752 ms
10 xe-0-0-0-100.jnrt-edge01.sv1.netflix.com (69.53.230.213) 92.688 ms 92.368 ms 92.279 ms
11 xe-2-2-0-954.jnrt-edge01.prod1.netflix.com (69.53.225.26) 90.734 ms 90.693 ms 90.390 ms
12 te1-8.csrt-agg01.prod1.netflix.com (69.53.225.6) 90.626 ms 90.611 ms 90.609 ms
13 www.dc1.netflix.com (208.75.76.17) 90.700 ms 90.450 ms 90.625
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xcimo
Ebox 60Mbps

join:2007-11-21
Gatineau, QC
reply to SpongeGuard

Looks like you end-up on a server that has nothing to do with netflix.. So they are probably proxying the data from that point..



sm5w2
Premium
join:2004-10-13
St Thomas, ON
reply to SpongeGuard

There seems to be a hack or work-around to be able to get hu-loo in this country (I'm using phraseology here so that hu-lou won't find this easily if they're looking for stuff like this).

This hack involves getting this firefox add-on: Modify Headers 0.7.0.2 (»addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox···headers/) and adding "X-Forwarded-For" header to what your browser normally sends out to web servers when it's accessing content. The argument or value to supply along with that header is an IP address. In this case, we want to use a US IP address - any address we know to be in the USA (no traffic will actually be routed through this address).

That header line is used to tell a web server what your real IP address is if you're going through a proxy. So in this case we're trying to fool hu-lou into thinking that we're in the USA because it's probably looking for that header. I don't think you actually have to use a US-based proxy for this to work.

Now, there seems to several other things you have to do, such as

1) Add "hulu.cust.footprint.net" to your hosts file, or add it to your firewall out-bound rules (I would think that adding it to your hosts file is faster and easier and does the same thing).

2) add various IP addresses to your out-bound firewall settings. These include 206.33.62.126, 198.78.201.126, 207.109.221.177, 207.109.221.184. All on port 80.

3) add to more rules to your out-bound firewall setting. One for UDP, one for TCP. The port you're blocking is 1935.

It seems that some combination of 1, 2 and 3 will allow you to get hoo-lou on Chrome without the modify-headers add-on, and if so then presumably that would also be the case with any browser.

Hoo-lou seems to be able to catch on about the X Forwarded header and might (or will) eventually block the IP address being used, but when that happens all you need to do is change the address slightly and you're back in business. This hack seems to also work for TheDailyShow.com, and ColbertNation.com.

External references:

»www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments···_method/
»ohryan.ca/blog/2010/11/06/how-to···-method/
»www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/···/c0c267a

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bbbc

join:2001-10-02
NorthAmerica
kudos:2
Reviews:
·FreedomPop

3 edits
reply to sm5w2

Anyone ever have a problem getting Netflix USA to stream on multiple device(s) / computer(s) in same household (out of area message), but still have Pandora and Hulu Plus working with UnblockUs? Mind you, the American Netflix account in question works at other Canadian locations.

For some reason, Netflix USA is the only American service not functioning under UnblockUs at a friend's place.



corster
Premium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC

said by bbbc:

Anyone ever have a problem getting Netflix USA to stream on multiple device(s) / computer(s) in same household (out of area message), but still have Pandora and Hulu Plus working with UnblockUs?

Never tried Pandora, but haven't had an issue using Hulu Plus while using Netflix on my Wii and Computer.
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cog_biz_user
i ruin threads apparently

join:2011-04-19
Hamilton, ON
reply to SpongeGuard

hotspot shield for american stuff (hulu)
expat shield for european stuff (bbc)

it's all i've ever needed.


dmacgreg

join:2011-08-22
Grand Forks, BC
reply to SpongeGuard

I just signed up for the free trial of this, but now am hesitant. Logging into online banking, etc with changed DNS seems questionable. Those of you already using Unblock-US, do you guys just use the internet as before?

I am considering getting a second router (cheapy) and running Unblock-US through one and running the 2nd for all other internet needs. Would this work?



eweazel

join:2008-12-09
Etobicoke, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

said by dmacgreg:

I just signed up for the free trial of this, but now am hesitant. Logging into online banking, etc with changed DNS seems questionable. Those of you already using Unblock-US, do you guys just use the internet as before?

I am considering getting a second router (cheapy) and running Unblock-US through one and running the 2nd for all other internet needs. Would this work?

I have been doing all my banking and other internet stuff normally even though I have added the unblock us DNS to my router.


corster
Premium
join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC
reply to dmacgreg

said by dmacgreg:

I just signed up for the free trial of this, but now am hesitant. Logging into online banking, etc with changed DNS seems questionable. Those of you already using Unblock-US, do you guys just use the internet as before?

If you do a tracert, you can see that using the Unblock-US service, only the websites on their list redirect through their proxy, any other website is resolved as normal.
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Rob Ford, Check. Stephen Harper, Check. Tim Hudak, October.
Ontario can lead again - Tim Hudak and the Ontario PC Party in 2011

dmacgreg

join:2011-08-22
Grand Forks, BC

I don't know what a tracert is, but that is reassuring though, as people here seem to be confident of the security of the program.



ekster
Hi there
Premium
join:2010-07-16
Lachine, QC
kudos:3
Reviews:
·FreePhoneLine

If you're using a device other than your computer for Netflix and are worried about security, I believe you can just set the router's DNS to whatever they give you, then change it on your computer from 'obtain automatically' to the DNS IP you have now. Like that, your computer would use whatever you have now, but everything else would use unblock-us' new DNS.


VPNgeek

join:2011-10-17
reply to SpongeGuard

I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.

I recently wrote an article about the best ways to set up a VPN connection based on my own experiences:

»vpn-geek.com/netflix/how-to-watc···-the-us/



Alittlegreen

join:2008-07-24
Montreal, QC
kudos:1
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
·Future Nine Corp..

said by VPNgeek:

I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.

I recently wrote an article about the best ways to set up a VPN connection based on my own experiences:

»vpn-geek.com/netflix/how-to-watc···-the-us/

Anyone smell shameless self promotion?
By the nature of what a vpn is, it's highly unlikely that your "hide my ass vpn pro" is even remotely faster than a dns redirect.


um not

@videotron.ca
reply to VPNgeek

said by VPNgeek:

I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.

Reliable? In what way? HideMyAss was the one who gave away their users to the cops in the UK.

Why would anyone use them?

Roofer

join:2010-11-24
reply to SpongeGuard

unblock-us works, but how do you pay?

unblock-us works perfectly for American Netflix, hulu, hulu plus, & vudu. Never had any problems. We used to go through another proxy server, but I rather pay $5 a month and have someone else keep on top of things.

The difficult part is how do you pay Netflix? vudu is easy, as long as you have a legitimate credit card, it doesn't care what country it was issued from.

Netflix is different. Up till now, it was easy because I have family in Detroit, so they just put it on their credit card, and I send them a check once a year. Unfortunately because of a family fall out, I no longer feel comfortable imposing on them.

I have confirmed that gift credit cards don't work, even if you register them for on-line use. Paypal also doesn't work (I suspect that it passes the info to Netflix that the credit card is not American).

I am thinking of creating a new American Netflix account (which no longer asks you for your physical address), and try using my regular credit card with the append zero work-around.

My last resort is just to sign up for a Canadian Netflix account, which will allow me to access the American site using unblock-us, but the problem is it may stop working in the future. I rather have an American account.



mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

Just try signing up as usual with your Canadian credit card, it should be working now since they made a bunch of changes in the signup. Myself I signed up months ago with no issues on my Canadian Amex.


Roofer

join:2010-11-24

said by mlerner:

Just try signing up as usual with your Canadian credit card, it should be working now since they made a bunch of changes in the signup. Myself I signed up months ago with no issues on my Canadian Amex.

Thanks. Is this the American site?


mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

said by Roofer:

said by mlerner:

Just try signing up as usual with your Canadian credit card, it should be working now since they made a bunch of changes in the signup. Myself I signed up months ago with no issues on my Canadian Amex.

Thanks. Is this the American site?

Yes.


Jeffer71

join:2008-09-13
Carrying Place, ON
Reviews:
·Acanac
reply to um not

Re: Anyone using Unblock-us?

said by um not :

said by VPNgeek:

I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.

Reliable? In what way? HideMyAss was the one who gave away their users to the cops in the UK.

Why would anyone use them?

They are now known throughout the whole Vpn community as rats because of that fiasco.

Here's a nice little write up on why you should NOT use Hidemyass and also why you should be very careful with choosing just any old Vpn service.

»falkvinge.net/2011/09/27/never-t···bitcoin/

the cerberus

join:2007-10-16
Richmond Hill, ON

said by Jeffer71:

said by um not :

said by VPNgeek:

I wouldn't recommend Unblock-Us. I personally use HideMyAss. I find it much faster and more reliable.

Reliable? In what way? HideMyAss was the one who gave away their users to the cops in the UK.

Why would anyone use them?

They are now known throughout the whole Vpn community as rats because of that fiasco.

Here's a nice little write up on why you should NOT use Hidemyass and also why you should be very careful with choosing just any old Vpn service.

»falkvinge.net/2011/09/27/never-t···bitcoin/

Not much of a fiasco, they gave out billing details as it states they will within 30 days in the fine print, if asked by law enforcement. The hacker could have used a prepaid card and the chain vpn method if he really wanted to hide.
Copyright issues are never going to be investigated that fast. You arent going to have law enforcement on your ass for using american netflix...... no one is coming after you for that, and if they were, it would take them months to get a court order to get the details, at which time they have erased all logs (as they only keep them for 30 days).
Hiding because you are hacking vs a bit of copyright infringement are very different things.

VPNgeek

join:2011-10-17
reply to um not

said by Roofer:

The difficult part is how do you pay Netflix? vudu is easy, as long as you have a legitimate credit card, it doesn't care what country it was issued from.

It should be the same thing with Netflix. I am using an European credit card for my Netflix account, at it works perfectly.

Bujanx2

join:2009-10-08
Ottawa, ON

I just tried to sign up for US Netflix account using my Canadian credit card... no dice... it keeps asking for my ZIP CODE, which I cant provide because i don't have one .. when I enter my canadian postal code associated with my credit card it fails.



NoAhBoDy99

@shawcable.net

said by Bujanx2:

I just tried to sign up for US Netflix account using my Canadian credit card... no dice... it keeps asking for my ZIP CODE, which I cant provide because i don't have one .. when I enter my canadian postal code associated with my credit card it fails.

You can use your Canadian Netflix account on the US site and see the US content. They used to block us but that has since been changed. When you connect to Netflix with a US IP on a Canadian account, it tells you you might see different content.

Roofer

join:2010-11-24

said by Bujanx2:

I just tried to sign up for US Netflix account using my Canadian credit card... no dice... it keeps asking for my ZIP CODE, which I cant provide because i don't have one .. when I enter my canadian postal code associated with my credit card it fails.

Use the numbers from your postal code, and add zeros to make it an American zip code. For example, if your postal code is B3T-2K9, then you can use 329 in combination with zeros, such as 32900, 30290, etc. Keep trying until you find one that works.

said by NoAhBoDy99 :

You can use your Canadian Netflix account on the US site and see the US content. They used to block us but that has since been changed. When you connect to Netflix with a US IP on a Canadian account, it tells you you might see different content.

One of the advantages of using an American Netflix account is that you have access to the intelligent recommendation feature. I don't believe that is available with the Canadian account. It has suggested a lot of good shows that I ended up enjoying, which I wouldn't have otherwise knew about.

Bujanx2

join:2009-10-08
Ottawa, ON
reply to NoAhBoDy99

You can use your Canadian Netflix account on the US site and see the US content. They used to block us but that has since been changed. When you connect to Netflix with a US IP on a Canadian account, it tells you you might see different content.

I did the free trial of unblock us setu it up... it did not release new content on netflix but blocked Content that was available on my canadian netflix account... no new movies .. just restrictions because i appeared to be out of canada.