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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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 ·T-Mobile US
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Re: Stephenson partly correct said by BiggA:I totally agree. They will become more competitive, not on price (that's for Metro/Sprint/USCC), but on features, speed, coverage, phones, amount of data, etc etc.
Right now they are pretty close to a deadlock, but after this, they won't be. This will throw the duopoly out of balance and, in the end, create a better environment for the consumer.
More competitive?
If that's the case, can you explain ATT's lowering of its "unlimited" data to an industry-low 2GB cap? Or Verizon's statements regarding implementing data throttling? Or ATT's removal of sideloading on Android handsets? Or ATT's removal of HSUPA support for its "4g" handets? Or VZW's repeated overbilling "mistakes"?
Yeah, you're right. They're totally competing already, and that competition sure is intense.
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
 ·Comcast
| AT&T's data plan is more consumer friendly, as it is $5 cheaper with no reduction in functionality unless you're a network abuser.
Verizon should go over the 2GB system, they wouldn't be forced to do sleazy throttling stuff. Problem is they probably want that extra $5.
I have side loading and HSUPA (which is probably the most useless and boring feature ever anyways) on my Captivate. I technically use HSUPA even though I couldn't care less about that, and sideloading is an issue of principle, since I have no use for it until I start developing apps. | |
 Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | said by BiggA:AT&T's data plan is more consumer friendly, as it is $5 cheaper with no reduction in functionality unless you're a network abuser. Network abuser? I'd like you to define "Network abuser" for us.
said by BiggA:Verizon should go over the 2GB system, they wouldn't be forced to do sleazy throttling stuff. Problem is they probably want that extra $5. Yep. For that extra $5, I get 5GB (vs 2GB). I have a D2G so I have unlimited data, which I definitely use every month without overages (or VZ griping at me).
So, 3GB cost $5? I wonder if at&t would approve of that.
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
·Comcast
| A network abuser wastes bandwidth, streams video over 3G, downloads large files that they don't need to download over the mobile network, etc. I use my phone A LOT, EVER DAY and my record so far is 800MB. I stream Pandora, I use GPS with satellite images, I do a ton of email, mobile Googling stuff, Dropbox access, Mobile Facebook uploads, etc etc. Heavy usage is for wifi. | |
Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | said by BiggA:A network abuser wastes bandwidth, streams video over 3G, downloads large files that they don't need to download over the mobile network, etc. I use my phone A LOT, EVER DAY and my record so far is 800MB. I stream Pandora, I use GPS with satellite images, I do a ton of email, mobile Googling stuff, Dropbox access, Mobile Facebook uploads, etc etc. Heavy usage is for wifi.
What is a "waste" of bandwidth. Bandwidth is technically never wasted. It is utilized for different tasks. The tasks could be whatever you *PAID* it to do. If I paid to do certain things on my phone, I'd expect to get my money's worth and not be restricted to what the carrier wants me to do with *MY* phone.
..and download large files I don't need. Well, if I didn't need them, I WOULDN'T BE DOWNLOADING THEM. If I'm working on a computer that needs a driver pack (that doesn't have access to the 'net) I'm going to fetch it and install it on that computer (ahh.. MicroSD Cards).
..and streaming video. What's wrong with that? If I want to relax in the middle of nowhere and watch a movie on *MY* phone, I should be entitled to do so. Same with a Video Chat with my family. You stream Pandora (usually around 128kbps) and upload/download random stuff to the 'net. Are you wasting bandwidth?
As for WiFi, why would I use my own network? That's basically paying 2 ISP's to do the same thing. The funny thing is, free WiFi isn't *EVERYWHERE*. Ever try to hop onto an encrypted AP without the key? Ever try to find an AP in the middle of nowhere? Ever use an AP on the road?
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
·Comcast
| Why on earth would a computer not be connected to the internet or be near one that is?
Video is a waste of bandwidth on a mobile network. There is no need for it, use wifi or wait to see the latest stupid YouTube video. If you want a movie, load it on your iPod from your computer and then you can have it without wasting network bandwidth and having a bad user experience from trying to cram something over a network that was never built for it.
Wifi, because you have to have internet anyways. Since when you do you have to pay more to use your phone on your existing wifi and home internet connection?
No one needs to stream video in the middle of nowhere. Get a grip. Even if I had unlimited, I wouldn't want to waste my time trying to get my phone to have a decent quality video experience and waiting for loading and buffering and such, and then kill my battery. It's just a bad idea all around. | |
Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | said by BiggA:Why on earth would a computer not be connected to the internet or be near one that is? Because the internet isn't EVERYWHERE, even most claim it is. Ever been to a small rural town? I doubt they've heard of WiFi, let alone Broadband. Also, some secure systems aren't allowed on the Internet for good reason. But they still need updates and drivers.
Let's see how far you get if you tie a Classified workstation into the Internet to fetch an update. I bet your ass will be in front of the CO within a matter of seconds.
said by BiggA:If you want a movie, load it on your iPod from your computer and then you can have it without wasting network bandwidth and having a bad user experience from trying to cram something over a network that was never built for it. Then I guess they'd better stop advertising that it can, huh? I've seen sh*tloads of commercials talking about their phones supporting streaming video and how much better their network is because it can handle it. Are you telling me that they are full of it?
said by BiggA:Wifi, because you have to have internet anyways. Since when you do you have to pay more to use your phone on your existing wifi and home internet connection? *facepalm* Nevermind. You completely missed my point about half a decade ago.
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
·Comcast
| A place with no DSL or cable but AT&T 3G. Where is THAT???
If you need to transfer drivers onto a classified machine, use an unclassified machine that has internet access, and flash drive it over. I would think that's something that IT has to do, considering it's not very secure, but then again you're talking about putting your phone's SD card in the machine, so flash drives to another computer isn't any less secure.
They do have a marketing issue with that. They're advertising capabilities that more or less constitute network abuse.
What on earth is your point then? | | |
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