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Guspaz Guspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC	Guspaz MVM 2011-Apr-1 4:33 pm TekSavvy's new AUP bans servers? From the new AUP that went live today: »www.teksavvy.com/en/lega ··· /aup.asp said by TekSavvy AUP : VI. NETWORK / SECURITY In addition to the general terms set out above, you are prohibited from using the Service for activities that include, but are not limited to: * Sharing of your Account userid(s) and password(s) for the purpose of concurrent login sessions from the same Account. * Causing an Internet host to become unable to effectively service requests from other hosts. * Running and/or hosting server applications including but not limited to HTTP, FTP, POP, SMTP, Proxy/SOCKS, and NNTP. * Analyzing or penetrating an Internet host's security mechanisms. * Forging any part of the TCP/IP packet headers in any way. * Committing any act which may compromise the security of your Internet host in any way. (emphasis mine) The old AUP, which was part of the old terms (»secure.teksavvy.com/en/t ··· cies.asp) did not include this language... There is also some rather specific stuff, like forbidding posting usenet or forum messages with long signatures, or how breaking the rules of a forum like DSLR is grounds to have your service terminated. Also, performing any sort of security auditing is forbidden, so we're not allowed to use nmap at all, even on our own servers, it would seem. The new ToS are also incredibly long and Bell-like. I didn't see anything particularly objectionable except frequent mentions of ETFs, which are also new to TekSavvy... I understand the desire to "cover your ass", but this goes way beyond that into "control how you use the net" territory.
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alpovs join:2009-08-08	alpovs Member 2011-Apr-1 4:48 pm Is this an April fool's joke?
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El Quintron Cancel Culture Ambassador Premium Member join:2008-04-28 Tronna	El Quintron Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 4:51 pm said by alpovs: Is this an April fool's joke? Sounds like it... if not I'll have to question my status as eternal Teksavvy fanboi
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Angelo The Network Guy Premium Member join:2002-06-18	Angelo Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 4:52 pm it's real guys
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Guspaz Guspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC	Guspaz MVM 2011-Apr-1 4:53 pm Got a reply from Rocky about it: said by Rocky : @guspaz its across all services. Some we don't control. Will look at seeing it get clarified.
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AkFubar Admittedly, A Teksavvy Fan join:2005-02-28 Toronto CAN.	AkFubar to Guspaz Member 2011-Apr-1 4:54 pm to Guspaz spamming customer email?? Could be but I would hope not. Mebbe just a limited broadcast.
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BACONATOR26 Premium Member join:2000-11-25 Nepean, ON	BACONATOR26 to Guspaz Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 4:56 pm to Guspaz With AVP coming into effect I will have to look at my options. Paying for static IPs and with this restriction makes it pointless.
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Angelo The Network Guy Premium Member join:2002-06-18	Angelo Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 4:57 pm its for a better experience have fun guys.. with a useless service ... i mean a BELL service....
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El Quintron Cancel Culture Ambassador Premium Member join:2008-04-28 Tronna	El Quintron to Guspaz Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 4:58 pm to Guspaz said by Guspaz: There is also some rather specific stuff, like forbidding posting usenet or forum messages with long signatures, or how breaking the rules of a forum like DSLR is grounds to have your service terminated. Also, performing any sort of security auditing is forbidden, so we're not allowed to use nmap at all, even on our own servers, it would seem. The part you just quoted there is completely ludicrous and some of it (conditions on posting messages to online forums and Usenet) are unenforceable. I really don't get how Teksavvy wants to get tangled up in that, and alienate its users who are "tech savvy" @Teksavvy staff now would be a good time for some clarification/.
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BACONATOR26 Premium Member join:2000-11-25 Nepean, ON	BACONATOR26 to Angelo Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 4:58 pm to Angelo said by Angelo: its for a better experience have fun guys.. with a useless service ... i mean a BELL service.... Even so.. I got no notice that my service is subject to Bell policies and that it is legal. Until that changes I will presume that TekSavvy is just being stupid.
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El Quintron Cancel Culture Ambassador Premium Member join:2008-04-28 Tronna	El Quintron Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 4:59 pm said by BACONATOR26: Even so.. I got no notice that my service is subject to Bell policies and that it is legal. Until that changes I will presume that TekSavvy is just being stupid. QFT +1
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aver join:2007-12-03 Kitchener, ON 2 edits	aver to Guspaz Member 2011-Apr-1 4:59 pm to Guspaz :P
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justsomeguy8 join:2007-10-08 N5M3Z3	justsomeguy8 to Guspaz Member 2011-Apr-1 5:00 pm to Guspaz Wow, this was one of Teksavvy's saving graces. I know a lot of people who would have left Teksavvy if it wasn't for them allowing servers. I'll guess they will be looking at other options or just hoping that teksavvy doesn't police their new restrictions.
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34764170 (banned) join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON	34764170 (banned) to Angelo Member 2011-Apr-1 5:01 pm to Angelo said by Angelo: its for a better experience have fun guys.. with a useless service ... i mean a BELL service.... Huh? If affects me and I don't use anything which touches Bell.
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34764170	34764170 (banned) to aver Member 2011-Apr-1 5:03 pm to aver said by aver: The new AUP seems to go against the culture of Teksavvy and why we all support them so much. What TSI stood for is really going downhill.
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Radar73 join:2008-01-20 Ajax, ON	Radar73 to Guspaz Member 2011-Apr-1 5:04 pm to Guspaz said by Guspaz: * Running and/or hosting server applications including but not limited to HTTP, FTP, POP, SMTP, Proxy/SOCKS, and NNTP. Unbelievable. What a terrible move.
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AMailer join:2004-04-03	AMailer to Guspaz Member 2011-Apr-1 5:04 pm to Guspaz Clearly its a joke - the entire "IV. NEWSGROUPS / DISCUSSION FORUMS" section especially
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CptGemini Inside your computer Premium Member join:2004-11-29 Corpus Christi, TX	CptGemini to Radar73 Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:05 pm to Radar73 If they really wanted to block those services they could block those ports. TWC here used to do it for HTTP servers.
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Guspaz Guspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC	Guspaz MVM 2011-Apr-1 5:06 pm I'll just reinforce that Rocky did reply about this, and said he's going to try to clarify it; he said that the new language was because of services that they don't control.
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BACONATOR26 Premium Member join:2000-11-25 Nepean, ON	BACONATOR26 to AMailer Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:06 pm to AMailer said by AMailer: Clearly its a joke - the entire "IV. NEWSGROUPS / DISCUSSION FORUMS" section especially If it is a joke they should not have modified the original page.
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justsomeguy8 join:2007-10-08 N5M3Z3	justsomeguy8 to Guspaz Member 2011-Apr-1 5:10 pm to Guspaz I just googled parts of the text and found that the Teksavvy AUP is a word for word copy of the 3web/CIA/Distributel AUP located at »www.cia.com/Legal/aup.html Is this a sign of some sort of company merger? or just one company ripping off another companies AUP ?
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HiVolt Premium Member join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON	HiVolt to Guspaz Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:11 pm to Guspaz Well that part is not there right now.
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Angelo The Network Guy Premium Member join:2002-06-18	Angelo to 34764170 Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:12 pm to 34764170 said by 34764170: said by Angelo: its for a better experience have fun guys.. with a useless service ... i mean a BELL service.... Huh? If affects me and I don't use anything which touches Bell. you do have a dsl line don't you.. that is a bell line refer to bibics comments please!
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Guspaz Guspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC	Guspaz to justsomeguy8 MVM 2011-Apr-1 5:12 pm to justsomeguy8 said by justsomeguy8: I just googled parts of the text and found that the Teksavvy AUP is a word for word copy of the 3web/CIA/Distributel AUP located at »www.cia.com/Legal/aup.html Is this a sign of some sort of company merger? or just one company ripping off another companies AUP ? I suspect that they both come from Bell. GAS AUP being passed on the customers, perhaps.
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Angelo The Network Guy Premium Member join:2002-06-18	Angelo Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:14 pm lol...
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JGROCKY Premium Member join:2005-05-19 Chatham, ON 2 recommendations	JGROCKY to Guspaz Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:14 pm to Guspaz We now know people are reading things! It's been removed. We're getting close to launching more things and had to update the Terms and Conditions for sake of a minimum 30 day notice. The irony is the T&C mistakenly had that in it due to a consultant writing it.... guess the April fools joke was on us on this one! ...in any case, removed now. If anyone sees anything else that is contrary to our ways please PM me. Rocky
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milnoc join:2001-03-05 Ottawa	milnoc Member 2011-Apr-1 5:16 pm That's what I thought. A simple copy-pasta screw-up.
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BACONATOR26 Premium Member join:2000-11-25 Nepean, ON	BACONATOR26 to JGROCKY Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:17 pm to JGROCKY Phew Rocky, you almost gave me a heart attack.. thought I'd have to finally face the Commision and start a battle with Bell.
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justsomeguy8 join:2007-10-08 N5M3Z3	justsomeguy8 to JGROCKY Member 2011-Apr-1 5:18 pm to JGROCKY said by JGROCKY: We now know people are reading things! It's been removed. We're getting close to launching more things and had to update the Terms and Conditions for sake of a minimum 30 day notice. The irony is the T&C mistakenly had that in it due to a consultant writing it.... guess the April fools joke was on us on this one! ...in any case, removed now. If anyone sees anything else that is contrary to our ways please PM me. Rocky Do you and 3web/Distributel/CIA use the same T&C consultants?
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JGROCKY Premium Member join:2005-05-19 Chatham, ON	JGROCKY Premium Member 2011-Apr-1 5:19 pm Might have. The individual who did ours was at one point legal for Cybersurf. The pool is only so big in this area.
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