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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:2

In the meantime...

AT&T will continue to milk their aging copper by adding caps to their service, and continuing to offer sub-par speeds.

I need to move back to Verizon territory.

openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2

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I hope you realize that this upgrade isn't remotely related to last mile copper, regardless of who's deploying it.

jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
Very true!


batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ

1 recommendation

said by jjeffeory:

Very true!

Well why don't you lease a dedicated line with the speed you require to the large non sticky tubes. Bloomberg does it. Just for giggles I called Cablevision about getting "Lightpath" (FTTP) to my house. No problem pay $2,500 to run the glass 9,000 feet from Verizon's CO and then the monthly charge for as fast as I want to go.

It is not a lack of bandwidth it is you want if for free; sorry there is no free lunch.


heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:

I hope you realize that this upgrade isn't remotely related to last mile copper, regardless of who's deploying it.

You missed the point of what they said.

Someone remind why AT&T thinks their milk copper strategy is gonna work. Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ

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said by heat84:

Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?

Oh no. FTTP is top shelf broadband. No fuss, no muss; my glass, all mine.


heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
said by batterup:

said by heat84:

Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?

Oh no. FTTP is top shelf broadband. No fuss, no muss; my glass, all mine.

No. Its standard broadband. Except in the United States.
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Bit Torrent is my DVR.

openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to heat84
I didn't miss the point. The backbone, what this article is about, has no relation to the last mile whether it be copper, fiber, or wireless. You don't think that AT&T isn't planning core network upgrades?


Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:2
Actually you did. I was referring more to the general mentality of Verizon planning for the future, while AT&T is stuck in the past. Their lousy last mile speed offerings (compared to VZ) are due to the copper, but the new caps are due entirely to backbone limits. (or at least their claim of backbone limits)

BlueC

join:2009-11-26
Minneapolis, MN
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reply to batterup
said by batterup:

Well why don't you lease a dedicated line with the speed you require to the large non sticky tubes. Bloomberg does it. Just for giggles I called Cablevision about getting "Lightpath" (FTTP) to my house. No problem pay $2,500 to run the glass 9,000 feet from Verizon's CO and then the monthly charge for as fast as I want to go.

It is not a lack of bandwidth it is you want if for free; sorry there is no free lunch.

$2500 to run fiber 9000 feet? That's a screaming deal, I'd jump on it. Seriously.


battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
Maybe, maybe not. What's the MRC and for how long?


battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
reply to Camelot One
"AT&T will continue to milk their aging copper by adding caps to their service, and continuing to offer sub-par speeds."

Please explain how that even remotley has anything to do with this article.


guitarjohn

@sbcglobal.net
reply to openbox9
FIOS does't use copper, that would be U-Verse. I just wonder what upgrades to their consumer svc they're getting ready to deploy that will require such a backbone upgrade. I bet it will blow U-Verse out of the water!

openbox9
Premium
join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to Camelot One
Backbone limitations aren't an issue. AT&T's backbone is just fine and will be incrementally upgraded no differently than Verizon's, or any other tier one provider's.

Debating last mile infrastructure upgrades or planning isn't related to backbone upgrades, regardless of the provider. How much copper does Verizon still have in its plant?

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
reply to heat84
...and a lot of countries. Basically France, some tightly-backed eastern European countries, Hong Kong, South Korea and Japan have lots of FTTH...and everyone else doesn't.


SpottedCat

join:2004-06-27
Miami, FL
reply to batterup
$2500 for a 2 mile fiber run, dedicated to you? WTF are you waiting for? What are the monthly costs once you're hooked up, for, say, 30 megabits symmetric?


batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
said by SpottedCat:

$2500 for a 2 mile fiber run, dedicated to you? WTF are you waiting for? What are the monthly costs once you're hooked up, for, say, 30 megabits symmetric?

The funny thing is Cablevision's Lightpath closest POP is Hackettstown. What they would do is run it into Verizon's CO and I assume lease a line to their backbone.

This is not a residential line it is a big bucks leased line with guaranteed bandwidth 24/7 plus a guaranteed up time of 99.999 or something %. This is not new Verizon has been offering this since they were New Jersey Bell. Just have DEEP pockets.

I can't put a price on this but the least expensive would be a point to point and I don't have another point to connect to. I would have to negotiate with a backbone provider for a peering arraignment. This is not like a turn key FiOS install.

Put in your address;
»www.optimumlightpath.com/
you may get this.

quote:
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Don't miss this opportunity to take advantage of savings up to 50% on voice and data services.

Please provide your remaining contact information so one of our communication specialists can follow up with you within the next few business days.

If you'd like to speak with us right away, please call 1-888-561-0177.

public

join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA
reply to heat84
said by heat84:

Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?

There is not enough spectrum to make wireless the prime broadband medium.