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rds24a
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[MA] Possible transfer

So, I live in suburban Cincinnati. I might be asked to move to Boston. Do I want to? Don't worry...I'm not a Yankees fan.
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I don't think it is up to us to decide if you want to or not. That is totally up to you. However, Boston has many opportunities to offer if you are wanting it.
(Not being a Yankees fan is a plus though)



rds24a
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Just looking for opinion on lifestyle, expenses, and culture....particularly from anyone who's familiar with both areas.

For example, I'm used to 45 minute commutes on the highway, a small house lot is 0.25 acres, having to drive to get to anything, hot summers, unpredictable winters, tornadoes, good steaks, crappy pizza, crappy pro sports teams, frozen seafood, free parking, 7% sales tax, stopping everything for NCAA football Saturdays, NASCAR, gas heat, central air conditioning, and an ice cream stand in every town.

I've been to Boston once for about an hour to stop for lunch near Harvard. All I remember is the roads were a pain in the butt....lanes that seemed to start and end on whim. There was a tropical storm coming, though, so we didn't stay long.

The only person I know from Boston talks about nothing but the Sox and the snow, so I can't get much out of him.
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reply to rds24a
Now THAT post opened up your "expectations." With that, we have something to work with. Give it a few days for people to post their thoughts.



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The area near Harvard involves some of the worst driving you're likely to find, it's not that bad everywhere (although driving in Boston metro does suck pretty hard).

Living expenses will be substantially higher here, across the board. Housing costs will depend heavily on whether you are going to be living in the suburbs or living in the city. You can get a general idea by scouting around the real estate section on Boston.com, lots of apartments for rent as well as houses for sale.

I don't think the weather will surprise you much after Ohio - we have hot summers and snowy winters too, but generally we don't have a lot of very extreme weather. You'll probably be tornado-free here

Culturally - Boston will most likely be an improvement in restaurants, bars, music, museums, theater, and so on. It's a bigger city and generally has a lot to offer that way. Public transit is decent but there are only a few areas where you can get by without a car. Commuting by train is very possible even from the suburbs, but might be slow depending on how close your house and workplace are to the train.

Feel free to ask about anything specific you might have questions about...
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said by rds24a:

For example, I'm used to 45 minute commutes on the highway, a small house lot is 0.25 acres, having to drive to get to anything, hot summers, unpredictable winters, tornadoes, good steaks, crappy pizza, crappy pro sports teams, frozen seafood, free parking, 7% sales tax, stopping everything for NCAA football Saturdays, NASCAR, gas heat, central air conditioning, and an ice cream stand in every town.

I'll preface the following by saying I've never lived in Midwest so this is going by visiting out that way and from when I've talked to friends:

Here's your equivalent in New England/Boston:

drive to get anything = good transit in the city towns out of Boston are hit depending on where trains run.
hot summers = same
unpredictable winters = same, except we talk about it more
tornadoes = nope
good steaks = yes
crappy pizza = good to great pizza once you scope out where to go
crappy sports teams = great sports teams in all the 4 major sports leagues.
frozen seafood = great seafood (can be pricey though)
free parking = not on your life; parking is something you will want to definitely research if living downtime (expensive)
7% sales tax = 6.25%
stopping everything for NCAA football = I wonder what's on for sports on Saturday? (not that bad but not like out your way at all, BC is about as exciting as it gets)
NASCAR = for some, a couple of races in Loudon, NH twice a year 2 hours north
gas heat = oil heat for many, gas/electric rest.
central air = many older ear old homes means not all have central but newer places or redone ones do
ice cream stand in very town = frozen lemonade & ice cream stands

Night Life: MA liquor licence laws are over the top IMO: No buying a 6 pack from the bar like in Cincy and taking it with you. Guests from out of out country? Drivers licences, government ID, birth certificates will not get you a beer. In MA NEED bring passport or have a coke. Going to a sporting event with an out of state guest/friend and want a beer? Only if you're over 25 (probably not a problem for you). Many towns close restaurants/bars at 12am or earlier. Downtime Boston is 2am for many.

Driving: more aggressive drivers. Referred to as MASSholes by out of staters. Street signs are optional but getting in and out of city has improve many times over with work done on "The Big Dig'. The use of GPS has made life easier.

Tons and tons of history in MA and Boston. Has a waterfront like Cincy/Covington but it's not quite the same or as accessible IMO. it's great but it's built up and not as open as in your next of the woods.

Short trips will get you great skiing in Winter. Lakes in NH, Cape Code, Newport, RI, and Maine in summer. Providence is 30-40 minute drive away. Great food and nice city (waterfire).

Sports; there's the RedSox and then there's everything else. But MLB baseball has turned me away and I still find lost of sports (football and hockey)

As was mentioned. Much more expensive all around, starting with housing. Certainly look into where you would want to live and pricing before deciding anything.
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rds24a
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The housing costs, commute issue, and schools are the most weighing issues. Much bigger city with much older housing than what I'm used to. I've noticed there's two beltways...what the difference living inside the first ringroad versus between versus outside the loops? The transfer position is in S Boston.

Any idea what the current job market is in the area for teachers? Here the governor has designated teachers the lowest form of life and theyre getting laid off by the thousands.
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Sorry, cannot help you with info on the job market for teachers in MA. Perhaps one of our other members will drop by and offer some insight.
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Housing, commuting, and schools/ 128 / 495 = Time/$$$. What do you want to spend?
Driving in Downtown Boston: Cow paths. Insane. Avoid.
Summer: not as humid
Winter: roll of the dice
Tornadoes: we'll say no, maybe we'll get a hurricane for you.
Steak / red meat: yes. Find a local place.
Pizza: wicked good unless you are into the NY vs Chi argument
Fresh Seafood: ayup. No need for Red Lobster.
Pro Sorts: Baseball is a religion / cult. Belichik's press conferences are gold. He is human, watch the Friday night show with the Belistrator. Celtics play a good game, Bruins rock. Soccer too.
Free parking: Nope, just nope.
NCAA football: find a sports bah.
NASCAR: Still a novelty, see "Commute"
Heat / air: depends
Ice Cream: I lost count @ 12 in my town, (vacation area) same with seafood.

I've spent time in the Midwest; some family, some business.



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said by rds24a:

Any idea what the current job market is in the area for teachers? Here the governor has designated teachers the lowest form of life and theyre getting laid off by the thousands.

Here they pay teachers decently but because of that they don't leave so there isn't many openings. My wife has been trying for perm work as a teacher for just over a year now. She's been teaching for over a decade, has her master's degree, and also a MA & NH teaching license. We're close enough she can teach in either state. Even with looking in 2 different states she's having problems finding work. This year she's filling in as a long-term sub for a teacher on maternity leave. The tests to get certified are enough to make anyone go insane. To get elementary certified you still need to pass a math test with algebra, trig, and calc on it even though you'll never teach it. The math test is designed to get about a 30-40% pass ratio per a well known college professor who taught my wife's math prep course last year. She wants to leave teaching because of all the politics involved and it's worse in MA then any place she's taught before. If you move here find a new profession!

I moved here 3 1/2 years ago myself for work. If I knew then what I know now I'd have never moved to the NE. Too many people in too small of an area. Property wise MA is the #2 best area in the nation so that's a plus but the prices are double most other places in the nation. You won't get a 3/2 house with a yard in a decent area for under $400,000 unless you move 40-60 minutes outside Boston. The house we bought last year took us 8 months of looking to find. It was 1 part luck & 1 part desperate sellers. The city we bought in has a median price of around $475,000 so we weren't looking here. We just happened to look for shits and ended up finding a $419,000 house that was being sold for $312,000 so we got a great deal. The house appraised at $340,000 so right off the closing we made a killing. Currently we're about to get it re-appraised and expecting it to be up to $350,000-355,000 based on the comps in the area. That will get PMI dropped after just 1 year!

Overall if I had to do it again I'd never even consider the NE or Boston as a viable area to move/live. After 3 1/2 years here I still don't like the area but you can't have everything I guess. As long as I can continue to make a lot of money that's all that matters for now.
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rds24a
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The teaching would be HS Science...same situation 8yrs+Masters degree.

I imagine we'll take a big hit on housing. We'd actually like to downsize slightly but even then I think we'll end up higher than what we pay now. A lot of that will depend on schools, too, and whether or not we have to include private school. We're used to both commuting, and as long as it is only one of us then 45 mins would be doable. We'd like to avoid another double-long-commute situation.

Thanks for all the input and any more you'all can provide.
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MA Teaching License Flow Chart
Just keep in mind a 20-25 mile commute here is like 35-40 minutes on a GOOD day. In Friday traffic or with any accident it's 60-90 upwards of 3-4 hours. Too many people too small space is a nightmare. Just like water when the highway backs up it overflows onto the back roads so it's bad everywhere when it's bad in one place.

My wife is a middle school special ed teacher. Look into the MTEL tests soon as you can if you want to teach here. There are 3 tests (01, 03, & 90) you have to take as a base where 2 of those tests have 2 parts so it's actually 5 tests. Typically you need one more test in the subject you want to teach as well. You get a 1 year temp license if you come in from out of state but after that you have to have the tests done to continue. Keep in mind it might be possible to get a NH license and work in NH if your far enough north. Then you skip the tests and drive in the opposite direction as traffic each way.

Here's some links/info to help out. If you need anything else let me know in the thread or send a PM.

MTEL
»www.mtel.nesinc.com/
»www.doe.mass.edu/mtel/testrequire.html

School info
»profiles.doe.mass.edu/

MCAS - State testing scores by school
»www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/mcas/
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rds24a
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Mass's approach to experienced, inter-state teaching transfers is not user-friendly. They won't even recognize 8 years of experience because they only count years where you taught a single subject, not multiple subjects during the day.

Right now we're about 75% sure we're going. Probably going to look around the I-95 loop initially if we can afford it.

Got any good ribs in town?
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Frostbite

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Marlborough, MA

Redbones in Somerville.
Blue Ribbon BBQ in West Newton or Arlington.

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I like Tennessee's Real BBQ in Peabody myself. Still have yet to find any 'real' BBQ that compares with the South's BBQ.

said by rds24a:

Mass's approach to experienced, inter-state teaching transfers is not user-friendly. They won't even recognize 8 years of experience because they only count years where you taught a single subject, not multiple subjects during the day.

It's a nightmare alright.
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rds24a
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I'm flying out for a preliminary homefinding trip. Any reco's on a good local restaurant in the Cambridge-Arlington-Newton area that we should hit?
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said by rds24a:

For example, I'm used to 45 minute commutes on the highway, a small house lot is 0.25 acres, having to drive to get to anything, hot summers, unpredictable winters, tornadoes, good steaks, crappy pizza, crappy pro sports teams, frozen seafood, free parking, 7% sales tax, stopping everything for NCAA football Saturdays, NASCAR, gas heat, central air conditioning, and an ice cream stand in every town.

My $0.0002...

During the weekends (except around Cape Cod) and non rush hours, 45 minutes will get you from suburb town to suburb town. From Downtown Boston or Cambridge, however, it won't get you far. Be ready for the most INSANE traffic anywhere. 128 (the innerloop, NEVER call it "95". "95" is the highway from 128 to Rhode Island or from Peabody to Maine) during rush hour is a mad-house. The breakdown lane becomes a travel lane for a few hours in the morning and afternoon!! My guess from travelling on 128 during rush hour, that the speedlimit ranged from -5 to 100mph.

We have hot summers, but not as humid as Cincy, Winters are unpredictable here, we get occasional tornado watches, and they do get tornados out in the western part of the state and down in CT and RI, but at the rate of MAYBE 1 a year at the most. Steaks are OK here, not as good as out there. The pizza makes up for it however, shop around, you'll find a local joint which makes good pizza. (and people are loyal to their pizza shops too!) which is why you don't see the huge inrush of outside big chains, other than Dominos. Pro sports are funny here. There is Baseball, and everything else. Boston is 85% Red Sox and 15% Yankees fans.
That is it. No other baseball teams exist. Football, is probably higher. But understand Boston fans have a love/hate relationship with their teams. It's hard to understand how it works. You'll see what I am talking about. NCAA football is nowhere near as popular here as it is in the mid-west and south. NASCAR, same way. (Although there are quite a few NASCAR fans, and several smaller NASCAR tracks, and of course, New Hampshire Motor Speedway in Loudon). Gas and Oil are both big here, Central air isn't as big, because so many houses have older heating systems. Replace "ice cream stand on every corner" with Dunkin Donuts on every corner. Literally, you can't go more than a mile or two without passing at least two of them. In Rhode Island it is even worse.

You'll like it here though, we're crazy, and drive like asses. But the area has a lot of charm and class to it. Just don't use your turn signal when you get here, or else we'll know you're from out of state.


rds24a
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Was just wheels-down back to OH a little bit ago.

I picked up on the Dunkin' Donuts thing really quick. That and coffee is either cream-and-sugar or black. I asked for sweetener and she looked at me like I was nuts.

I survived the green line and the red line, although I did see someone's little kid lick a seat on the green line. That was gross. Traffic didn't feel much worse...but I think I might need to see a chiropractor after some of the potholes.

Gotta figure out finances and the pros/cons list now. Boston didn't give me any reason not to come while I was there, but stuff certainly is expensive (except gas).
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Sarah
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said by rds24a:

I survived the green line and the red line, although I did see someone's little kid lick a seat on the green line. That was gross.

I witnessed a conversation on a green line station platform that went something like this...

Mom to small son: Honey, don't put your hands in your sister's face, your hands are so dirty.
Son: Why are they dirty?
Mom: You touched the elevator and the handrail... everything is really dirty in the train station.
Son: Can you clean my hands?
(Mom cleans them with some kind of wipes)
Son (now bothering his poor baby sister since his hands are clean): Can you clean the train station?
Mom: NOT WITH ALL THE WIPES IN THE WORLD!

It kinda cracked me up the way she said it...
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