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Prot

join:2010-03-30
Somerville, MA

Timing Belt? making screeching sound

I drive a Honda Civic 2001. It has about 156k miles. Last summer I noticed some smoke from my vent and brought it to a shop. They found a leak (forget what it was, gas pump I think, not very good at this car thing). They also noticed that my timing belt was about to snap as it was still the original one. They replaced it (that was costly) and for the next couple of weeks all worked well until I started to hear slight screeching when I would start up the car.

Since then it has gotten worse. It screeches about 25% of the time when I start the car. 50% of the time a second later it stops. 50% of the time I have to turn off my ac/heat for it to stop (or have the car start to move). Sometimes if I come to a red light right after I start the car, when I start to move again it screeches until I get to about 20 mph. Sometimes when I start the car w/ AC off and it doesn't screech, turning AC on makes it screech, sometimes it starts to screech even w/ AC off.

When I first start the car and it just sits idle, I can hear very very slight squiking noise coming from the engine, all noise disappears when the car goes faster than 20ish mph.

Also after the car has been driving for about 30 seconds, it never starts to screech no matter what I do to the heat/AC or any stops.

I know I should have just brought the car back to the shop as soon as it started to screech, but thats far gone (I am lazy). I had to call AAA to get jumped a couple weeks back (door did not close all the way so the light stayed on and drained the battery) and I asked him about the noise, he advised most likely the timing belt and should not be causing any actual harm to the car, other then the annoying noise.

Do you guys think I need to bring the car into the shop for this issue?



rtfm lol

@optonline.net

You need to read the manual... you think a t-belt was costly... it is due around 120k or less... if it snaps... you are looking at 1.5-3grand in engine damage.

How old are the belts on the car? Likely they are dry/lose and squealing.


Prot

join:2010-03-30
Somerville, MA

I bought the car (my first car) brand new 10 years ago, the only thing that was replaced since then is battery, timing belt, gas pump, breaks, wheels and windshield wipers. Everything else is original as the car never broke down.



CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
reply to Prot

More likely to be a serpentine belt slipping than the new timing belt. I have never heard of any timing belt screech before breaking.

There should not be screeching from the car at all - let them diagnose and if it is the timing belt then they should warranty their work. I VERY highly doubt it is the timing belt.
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VegasMan
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join:2002-11-17
Schaumburg, IL
reply to Prot

You mention it stops after you shut off the AC/Heat. Possible bad clutch on the compressor.
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Waterbug

join:2008-03-30
reply to Prot

It's a slipping serpentine belt. That is the belt that drives the alternator, water pump, power steering and air conditioning. Turning off the air reduces the load and causes the belt to quit slipping. It is stiff when you first start the car and becomes flexible as the engine runs. A new belt will be flexible all the time. Also, the belt stretches with age, and no longer has proper tension on all the pulleys.


Prot

join:2010-03-30
Somerville, MA

Is the serpentine belt as expensive at the timing belt to replace?



ironweasel
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Belen, NM
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said by Prot:

Is the serpentine belt as expensive at the timing belt to replace?

Not anywhere near as expensive. I spent maybe 2 minutes looking around on Rockauto and found serpentine belts less than $20 for that car. It's also a lot easier to replace since generally all you have to do is use a 3/8" ratchet to move the tensioner over a bit (loosens the belt) then just grab the belt and pull it off.

Small cars like that can be a bit of a pain due to lack of clearance, but as an example, I replaced the serpentine belt on our 94 Explorer in less than 5 minutes.
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
reply to Prot

As noted above- nope - the expense of the timing belt is the labor - it takes a lot of labor and time to get the timing belt changed. A few parts needs to come off the car for the timing belt.
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Prot

join:2010-03-30
Somerville, MA
reply to ironweasel

Thank you very much for this issue. Will just replace it if it is not that big of a deal.

It is almost time to buy a new car, but since I have had almost no issues with this car I want to see if it has another year or two in it.



CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

You should have many good year - sold my '89 Civic HB 2 years ago with 214K miles on it....



Asterix
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join:2002-09-18
Nazareth, PA
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If it's not a Honda or Toyota.. then it's a piece of junk .. lol
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J E F F
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Kitchener, ON
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reply to Prot

said by Prot:

Thank you very much for this issue. Will just replace it if it is not that big of a deal.

It is almost time to buy a new car, but since I have had almost no issues with this car I want to see if it has another year or two in it.

And lube shop can change the belt for you...I can't see it being more than $100 installed.

BTW: You do need this belt functioning, if it snaps on a highway or something, you'll lose most of your power....
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Dragasoni
We're All Mad Here
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join:2001-12-14
Palm Bay, FL
reply to Prot

It's most likely the serpentine drive belt. The next time you hear it making noise, tap on the gas and see if the pitch changes; not too much, just bring it to like 1500 rpms. If it does, its either your serpentine belt or the compressor clutch. If the pitch DOESN'T change, it could be the bearings going bad on the cooling fans.

On a side note, it's definitely worth fixing. I have 92 Accord with 207,000 miles and it runs like new. Most Honda's are very well made and tend to last very long.

Good luck!

-Dragasoni-



Nsane_iceman
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join:2001-02-26
North Richland Hills, TX
reply to VegasMan

said by VegasMan:

You mention it stops after you shut off the AC/Heat. Possible bad clutch on the compressor.

That was my thinking aswell, or just a simple serp belt replacement.
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old_tech

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reply to Prot

At that age, I would say Idler Pully, not belt.


Waterbug

join:2008-03-30

said by old_tech :

At that age, I would say Idler Pully, not belt.

Right !! At 10 years and 156K miles, that belt is hardly broken-in, NOT.


old_tech

@sbcglobal.net

said by Waterbug:

said by old_tech :

At that age, I would say Idler Pulley, not belt.

Right !! At 10 years and 156K miles, that belt is hardly broken-in, NOT.

If they timing belt was shot, it would slip, and at the little, it would cause mis-firing. At the most, it would cause the vehicle not to start. The idler pulley will cause a screeching noise, same if the spring where it meets the engine will screech when the vehicle is running.

Waterbug

join:2008-03-30

said by old_tech :

said by Waterbug:

said by old_tech :

At that age, I would say Idler Pulley, not belt.

Right !! At 10 years and 156K miles, that belt is hardly broken-in, NOT.

If they timing belt was shot, it would slip, and at the little, it would cause mis-firing. At the most, it would cause the vehicle not to start. The idler pulley will cause a screeching noise, same if the spring where it meets the engine will screech when the vehicle is running.

We're talking serpentine belt here. The timing belt was recently changed. Read the ENTIRE thread.


lolconvo

@optonline.net
reply to old_tech

said by old_tech :

If they timing belt was shot, it would slip, and at the little, it would cause mis-firing. At the most, it would cause the vehicle not to start. The idler pulley will cause a screeching noise, same if the spring where it meets the engine will screech when the vehicle is running.

What timing belt slips... do please tell us... they can JUMP teeth... but never seen one slip... big difference jumping teeth vs slipping... o and at most you could need a new motor... cause it goes bang.

also just because the t-belt was replaced does not mean any idlers were so that is a pointless argument... a new belt means a new belt... nothing more.

If the belt is not lose, the OP can put a drop of brake fluid on the belt and see if that stops the noise (I would still get it replaced at this age) just sayin.


old_tech

@sbcglobal.net
reply to Waterbug

And again, the idler pulley will cause the screeching noise, not the Serpentine Belt. Serpentine belts will screech when wet after driving through a puddle, but will stop after 30 sec's or so.



old_tech

@sbcglobal.net
reply to lolconvo

Contaminating teh belt with brake fluid will do nothing, but allow the belt to stretch & wear out quicker. Stop doing the shade tree mechanic stuff, and fix the problem is the solution.


Waterbug

join:2008-03-30
reply to old_tech

said by old_tech :

And again, the idler pulley will cause the screeching noise, not the Serpentine Belt. Serpentine belts will screech when wet after driving through a puddle, but will stop after 30 sec's or so.

Serpentine belts WILL screech when the rubber gets hard and brittle and looses it's grip on the pulleys. At that point, the belt has also probably stretched enough that the tensioner no longer holds proper tension. If the inside of the belt is cracked or shiny, replace it.


old_tech

@sbcglobal.net

If the timing belt was replaced, the job if competent would have noticed that the Serpentine was shot and replaced after telling the car owner, or would have done it anyways at that age, especially putting the work into the car to replace the timing belt. If the belt is shot, and at the miles, replace the belt & idler pulley assembly. For a $130 dollars, you can get both and do it yourself, or have the shop do it for around $500.


Waterbug

join:2008-03-30

said by old_tech :

For a $130 dollars, you can get both and do it yourself, or have the shop do it for around $500.

If you are talking about the serpentine belt and idler pulley, your pricing is way off. They belt should be about $20 to $30 and the idler pulley $50 max. Add in an hour or so labor and it is more like $150 total.
Your assumption that the mechanic who replaced the timing belt would notice a defective serpentine belt also applies to the tensioner pulley on both the timing and serpentine belts. What ever the current issue is, it was not an issue when the timing belt was replaced. It is possible that a hack mechanic might replaced a timing belt, without inspecting it's tensioner pulley, but that is lost revenue and would expect the pulley to be replaced needlessly rather than ignored.
I vote for defective serpentine belt, especially since there is no indication that it has ever been replaced.