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Re: [ARIZONA] wallow fire complex

i have no idea why you keep ranting on the governor. while i'm not a fan of most of her policies -- this is not under her perview. this was *national* forest -- meaning its under the control of the *federal* government.

additionally -- have you *ever* been to the area that burned? have you been down on the blue range? have you been ever been in a federally protected wilderness area? this isn't just national forest with federally created forest service roads running through it -- there is *nothing* there. to set the initial attack on the line -- we had "smokejumpers" fly in. these are people who are paratroopers -- capable of parachuting out of a plane and creating fireline -- then backpacking out. these crews came out of a helo, rather than parachuting out of a plane -- but the point stands.

now -- rather than ranting -- you could try and educate yourself on the facts. this was a wilderness area -- exempt from thinning and logging. the winds were in excess of 35mph in rugged canyonlands. the humidities were well below 10%. these were red flag conditions. you could have wanted to stop the fire with all your might, it wouldn't have changed a thing. this was a dangerous, fast moving fire. until you've been on a fireline -- refrain from making arguments that hold no water, mmmmkay?

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For the fire in Sierra Vista she was asked days ago for National Guard and finally sent some out. Should have already been activated for Wallow fire but she sent even fewer there.

It is out of her whatever is a crock. She does as pleases against illegals and that is supposedly not her area. US citizenship is out of her area but she still gets involved. The health of the state should be her concern.

NM has called in local state assistance guess they shouldn't have. They are patrolling everywhere in at least the southwestern NM to keep any new fires from starting. Brewer is not making it at least to me a real priority. The other fire near Portal is out of control but do we here about that one? Is she sending anything there or since few voters live there let it burn itself out.
I find a lot of new comers think of AZ as sitting in their air conditioned house in Phoenix maybe taking a holiday weekend trip to the real state. But no real ties to it. Most current politicians seem the same .

NM is also dry as a bone and a couple lakes there that had some water in April are now nearly dry after the helicopters used the ater on the fires. Not expected to refill for many many years unless a real monsoon season or winter snow happens.

Forest service, local sheriffs etc. patrolling everywhere in that part of NM to try and catch any fire starting or people doing dumb things like open fires that are now a no no.

»www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/···ergency/

Wallow fire update: Gov. Jan Brewer declares state of emergency
The State Column | Staff | Saturday, June 18, 2011

Arizona governor Jan Brewer declared a state of emergency as the Wallow fire spread across state lines Saturday, issuing the order as the blaze grew to nearly 500,000 acres.

Ms. Brewer’s declaration for Chochise County allows the mobilization of the Arizona National Guard, Tucson’s KVOA-TV reported. It also released $100,000 to cover emergency response and recovery costs.



On Friday morning, Ms. Brewer conducted an aerial tour of the Horseshoe II and Monument fires,
and received a briefing from incident commanders. The two fires have burned more than 200,000 acres,
including 40 residential homes. Also still burning is the Horseshoe Two fire, which has blackened nearly 200,000 acres and is 65 percent contained.

The governor’s office said Ms. Brewer’s declaration will allow Arizona to: “Authorize the Adjutant General to mobilize and call to activate all or such part of the Arizona National Guard as is determined necessary to assist in the protection of life and property throughout the State.”

With the fire crossing state lines, the fire enters a new phase. Earlier this month, New Mexico governor Susana Martinez issued a state of emergency. The New Mexico Republican deployed state National Guard troops to the border in an attempt to halt progression of the Wallow fire.

Read more: »www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/···PwUHD6iJ

If you read that article closely at the bottom the NM governor declared an emergency and sent in her National gaurd before Brewer did to just prevent the fire going into NM. Brewer was still thinking about it when NM was taking preventive action. Our state was burning and NM was taking more serious state level action.
»www.koat.com/r/28181154/detail.html

NM 145 NM national gaurd June 9 Wallow fire in Reserve. Actually sent in for fire duty and help. »www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_no···ire-area

Same time frame training exercises moved but not a real emergency for AZ plus only 55 AZ gaurd. Only if needed.

Same time frame NM governor thinks needed and sends in more. Az sends in just in case and not yet in real use just moving their training exercise closer.

So yes two states same fire. We are already burning up and NM is taking more state level action as preventive faster. We are not even yet actively helping in putting them out or freeing up people who can by sending in gaurd that can do grunt work behind the scenes freeing up other resources.

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Portal

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Firefighters winning with less win. All hail usfs and all firefighters no matter who.

Brewer always little and late. My previous post. Or repeat if nead.
With more Brewer help national gaurd call usufs call governement stopod heck sooner.

She has no idea of our state recall her ass.

illeglls is government and easy. rest of state as jobs burning the forest she never visits small real towns AZ she has zero clue