 | iOS 5: Airplay to multiple speakers? Can anyone with iOS 5 test to see if Airplay supports streaming music to multiple speakers? Whole-house streaming from iOS is the holy grail for me.
(I know I can stream to multiple devices from my Mac, but having just a laptop kind of limits its usefulness since it's not always on.) |
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 rugbyI think I know it all.VIP join:2000-09-26 Plainfield, IN | If you want this, look at Sonos. I love my sonos system. |
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 | I am familiar with Sonos, but that doesn't answer my question.
This featured was rumored for iOS 4.3 but didn't make it. I want to know if it's made it into iOS 5. |
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 bobrkYou kids get offa my lawnPremium join:2000-02-02 San Jose, CA | reply to stoli412 I stream from iPhone and iPad to multiple speakers all the time. This is iOS 4.3.3, though, not 5. |
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 | At the same time? Directly from the music on the iPhone/iPad?
I know you can use the Remote app to stream music to multiple speakers, but that's from your iTunes collection on your Mac.
What I'm talking about is streaming music/pandora/etc to multiple speakers directly from your iPhone/iPad with no Mac involved. |
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| Yup.

This shows the pop up in the iPod app that comes up when you click the AirPlay icon. "air dog" and "Kitchen Tunes" are my Airport Expresses. |
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 | And you can stream to more than 1 at a time? I must be doing something wrong. |
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 bobrkYou kids get offa my lawnPremium join:2000-02-02 San Jose, CA | Oops, apparently not. I never did more than one from my phone. I tend to play stuff from my Mac library using Remote. |
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 | said by bobrk:Oops, apparently not. I never did more than one from my phone. I tend to play stuff from my Mac library using Remote. That's what I'm trying to get away from. My Mac is a laptop so it's usually not on. Hopefully iOS 5 addresses this limitation. |
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 | you can do this on the iPad so I don't know why it wouldn't work with the iPhone |
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 | said by Squirrelly:you can do this on the iPad so I don't know why it wouldn't work with the iPhone I have an iPad and I'm not able to do this. If streaming from the iPod app/Pandora/etc, I can only select one set of speakers at a time. If I want multiple speakers simultaneously, I have to use the Remote app. But that connects back to iTunes on my MBP which must be open and running, which is what I'm trying to avoid.
I want to stream iPod/Pandora/TuneIn directly from my iPad to multiple AirPlay speakers in my house simultaneously without any involvement of my MBP or iTunes.
This feature was rumored for iOS 4.3 but didn't make it (as far as I can tell). I want to know if it made it into iOS 5. They've definitely been working on AirPlay since you can now stream video from the iPad, but I'm hoping someone can tell me if this specific feature has been added. |
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| said by stoli412:I want to stream iPod/Pandora/TuneIn directly from my iPad to multiple AirPlay speakers in my house simultaneously without any involvement of my MBP or iTunes. I'm running the current iOS 5 beta on an iPhone 3GS and it's still limited to 1 airplay device at a time. |
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 | reply to stoli412 said by stoli412:said by Squirrelly:you can do this on the iPad so I don't know why it wouldn't work with the iPhone I have an iPad and I'm not able to do this. If streaming from the iPod app/Pandora/etc, I can only select one set of speakers at a time. If I want multiple speakers simultaneously, I have to use the Remote app. But that connects back to iTunes on my MBP which must be open and running, which is what I'm trying to avoid. I want to stream iPod/Pandora/TuneIn directly from my iPad to multiple AirPlay speakers in my house simultaneously without any involvement of my MBP or iTunes. This feature was rumored for iOS 4.3 but didn't make it (as far as I can tell). I want to know if it made it into iOS 5. They've definitely been working on AirPlay since you can now stream video from the iPad, but I'm hoping someone can tell me if this specific feature has been added. ahh, I understand, I only use the remote app for iTunes. I have a mac mini running 24/7 as an HTPC connected to my server. |
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| reply to stoli412 said by stoli412:I want to stream iPod/Pandora/TuneIn directly from my iPad to multiple AirPlay speakers in my house simultaneously without any involvement of my MBP or iTunes. Me too. I hope the feature makes it into v5. And kudos for being patient with all of the posters who didn't quite understand what you wanted. I would have lost it... -- -Ryan I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die. |
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 | said by Daemon:Me too. I hope the feature makes it into v5. And kudos for being patient with all of the posters who didn't quite understand what you wanted. I would have lost it... I think it's a fairly obscure feature I'm asking about, so I don't blame people at first for not getting it. Especially when it does work with the Remote app, just not any other apps.
Hopefully Apple will add this feature in a future beta. If the iPad can handle streaming video via AirPlay, surely it can handle sending audio to multiple devices.
This feature is really the holy grail for me: Music throughout the house, no central computer/iTunes needed, no super expensive Sonos system to buy, no wiring to put in, guests could access the system with their own iDevices and play their own music. |
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| reply to stoli412 We have an AP Express in all of the common rooms in our house, connected via the 'extend this network' feature of the Airports.
As is, the traffic overhead is fairly extreme and much more than I'd suspect for a simple audio stream. I don't think Apple is making much use of multicasting. Thus, when I'm in my kitchen and activate airplay in the kitchen on the phone, it seems as though the audio stream goes kitchen AP-->Living room AP-->Host AP Extreme connected to modem-->Living room AP-->kitchen AP for playback.
Because it has to go through the living room twice, wirelessly, but the AP only has one antenna, it ends up halving the bandwidth and the stream ends up stuttering.
As a result, I end up streaming using the remote app, as my computer is wired into the Airport Extreme and the network path appears to be merely unidirectional.
Instead, the iPhone should use multicasting broadcast, and just send a few packets here and there to tell a specific AP to start listening. It gets more complicated if one of the destination APs is out of range, but at least with my suggested setup the number of network paths is severely reduced.
Because they aren't using multicasting, apparently, the reason the phone probably only supports one set of speakers is because the CPU doesn't have enough power to simultaneously process and send multiple audio streams over the network at once. -- -Ryan I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die. |
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| Indeed, we get stuttering even using Remote from the main Mac with all our music. It pretty much went away when we got a Time Capsule (with an Airport Extreme inside), but now, after 22 months, the wireless has died, but that's a story for another thread. |
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 | reply to Daemon Most of the stuff in my house is hardwired via powerline ethernet. The only truly wireless devices are the MBPs, iPads, and iPhones. We have a wifi router downstairs and upstairs. The AppleTVs, Airport Express, Pioneer Receiver, etc are all connected via ethernet, so I don't see very much stuttering.
I do agree that AirPlay needs to multicast. I'm surprised it doesn't work this way already! |
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 kitsune join:2001-11-26 Sacramento, CA | reply to Daemon Have you tried it with the AExp set to just join instead of extend? If you don't actually need the extra coverage, extending the network just reduces your total bandwidth because part of it is needed to maintain the dynamic WDS you are using. Which usually causes stuttering in the audio stream. Not to mention it also puts more load on the AExp's CPU. |
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| said by kitsune:Have you tried it with the AExp set to just join instead of extend? If you don't actually need the extra coverage, extending the network just reduces your total bandwidth because part of it is needed to maintain the dynamic WDS you are using. Which usually causes stuttering in the audio stream. Not to mention it also puts more load on the AExp's CPU. We used to do that with the older version Express that didn't support extend. It didn't make much of a difference, which was surprising.
The 'extend this network' feature is a proprietary Apple feature that is not the same as WDS. WDS does not support 802.11n, multiple frequencies simultaneously, or WPA like extend this network does. It is supposed to have a much lower overhead than WDS, apparently down to about 10% versus 50%.
We need the full network coverage in the kitchen, so we have it setup as a full AP.
The older Express is actually attached via wire to an Airport Extreme, both in the living room, with the Extreme extending the larger network. The express then doesn't allow wireless clients. -- -Ryan I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die. |
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