 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 1 edit | Avira Partners with Scareware and Sleazeware VendorsAvira has partnered with Uniblue and ASK toolbar. We are hoping this terrible thing will be reversed. There are a number of threads in Avira forums about it and, even though we tried to keep it contained in Avira forums until we know if Avira will reverse their partnerships, some security related forums are already advising their members to ditch Avira. Avira has been sending emails to users of their PAID products urging them to install Registry Booster from Uniblue. They have also again started up the Notifier Ads (which had been abandoned for Avira 10 a few months ago) for the free product so they can badger users to install Registry Booster and other UniBlue products. Both the emails and the Notifier ads state that Avira's new partners are Uniblue and ASK.com.
As for ASK toolbar, when Service Pack 2 for Avira 10 is released (very soon now) free users will be able to install the Webguard module free IF they also install ASK toolbar and make ASK.com their default search engine. Until now, Avira has always detected ASK toolbar as malware as they have also detected Uniblue products until now. Enough pressure has been brought on Avira last week that an Avira employee finally posted and stated that if we didn't lke Uniblue products we could uninstall them (forget that the registry cleaner has probably hosed your computer and is extremely difficult to uninstall) and that Uniblue has a 30 day money back guarantee. The Admin who posted this seemed to not have a grasp regarding the enormity of what Avira has done. He did say that Avira was discussing the problems recently reported by users with Uniblue products they installed at Avira's urging and that no decision regarding possibly reversing the partnerships had been made as of his post last Thursday night but the possibility was still on the table.
Here's the main thread:
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 dandelionPremium,MVM join:2003-04-29 Germantown, TN kudos:4 | Thanks for the information Mele20 , it looks like Avira is a product bearing close watch for now. |
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 deke40Premium join:2003-01-23 Texas | reply to Mele20 Would this include Uniblue's ProcessQuickLink2 that I have used for a long time and is never picked up as malware by MalwareBytes? |
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 heels_fan1.20.09 The start of SocialismPremium join:2003-02-07 Columbia, TN kudos:1 | reply to Mele20 This is the same reason why I stop using Lavasoft Ad-Aware years ago.
They started excluding known malware in their scans. -- everyone is born ignorant. some are born stupid, others achieve stupidity and the rest have stupidity thrust upon them. |
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 | reply to deke40 Uniblue's products aren't malware at all. It's their sales tactics that are debatable, and some of their products might be crap (don't know, haven't used them), but they are not malware. |
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 Smokey Bearveritas odium paritPremium join:2008-03-15 Annie's Pub kudos:4 | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20: some security related forums are already advising their members to ditch Avira
Can you name these 'security related forums'? |
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 gugarciPremium join:2004-02-25 Bergen Co 2 edits | reply to Mele20 Thanks for head-up. I use the free version of Avast in a couple of my PC's but has been eagerly awaiting the next version of Avira to try again. I guess not. I will now wait and see how how thing proceed.  -- A bad picture is better than no picture at all.  »www.flickr.com/photos/26596858@N08/ |
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 hayc59Im Your HuckleberryPremium join:2001-02-26 David R.I.P. kudos:20 | reply to Mele20 Mele, thanks and glad you got to post this AGAIN!! |
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| reply to heels_fan said by heels_fan:This is the same reason why I stop using Lavasoft Ad-Aware years ago.
They started excluding known malware in their scans. Same here. -- An expert is a man who tells you a simple thing in a confused way in such a fashion as to make you think the confusion is your own fault. |
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| reply to Mele20 Wow......the sky is falling,the sky is falling.
1st of all I haven't seen any ads from Avira in years,because you can block that process easiiy from your firewall~
And who cares what sponsors they get ,it's going to be a optional out anyway..........tons of free software apps are doing it.
Wake up and smell the roses,they're offering their program for free.........they're allowed to do anything they please.
Just cause users are too bloody stupid to not read what they install ............give me a break~ -- ~~Get our troops home...now!!~~ |
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 LarkB join:2006-10-28 united state 1 edit | reply to Mele20 I am an administrator at a computer help forum and while we have not advised our users to ditch Avira nor rescinded our recommendation of their products, we have posted a warning about their partnership with Uniblue and the association with Ask.com. While Uniblue's registry "optimizer" may not be malware, it is scareware and unless the end user knows enough about the registry to ascertain whether a key is unneeded or important, we also advise to avoid registry cleaners for carte blanche cleaning. We have witnessed too many instances of those who have completely hosed their computers, or crippled needed programs/decreased system performance and stability to do otherwise.
Btw, those letters encouraging people to download Uniblue's registry booster are going out to freeware users as well. This means there is an even larger potential pool of users who may find themselves in trouble if they follow Avira's recommendations.
Edited to reply to the poster above: People trust their security software companies. When they find that trust has been misplaced, winning it back may be impossible. For a company such as Avira, that has worked hard for and earned a stellar reputation in the security community, an ill-advised business decision can be a financial disaster. |
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| said by LarkB:I am an administrator at a computer help forum and while we have not advised our users to ditch Avira nor rescinded our recommendation of their products, we have posted a warning about their partnership with Uniblue and the association with Ask.com. While Uniblue's registry "optimizer" may not be malware, it is scareware and unless the end user knows enough about the registry to ascertain whether a key is unneeded or important, we also advise to avoid registry cleaners for carte blanche cleaning. We have witnessed too many instances of those who have completely hosed their computers, or crippled needed programs/decreased system performance and stability to do otherwise.
Btw, those letters encouraging people to download Uniblue's registry booster are going out to freeware users as well. This means there is an even larger potential pool of users who may find themselves in trouble if they follow Avira's recommendations.
Edited to reply to the poster above: People trust their security software companies. When they find that trust has been misplaced, winning it back may be impossible. For a company such as Avira, that has worked hard for and earned a stellar reputation in the security community, an ill-advised business decision can be a financial disaster. Here! Here! and thank you!! -- ãrê ¥Øu êxpêriêncêD Microsoft® MVP Consumer Security "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." 9/11/01 Never Forget |
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 therube join:2004-11-11 Randallstown, MD | reply to Mele20 Uniblue & "advertising" (in general) has come up from time to time in the NoScript forums.
There was a time when NoScript used Uniblue as a potential revenue source. They do not now. Don't know the reasons? At the time, NoScript did not take issue with Uniblue being included as an advertiser.
Discussion: Are Giorgio's ads seen as endorsements? »forums.informaction.com/viewtopi···2&t=3472
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I have not seen how advertising (Uniblue) interacts with Avira, but these days, I look at it like advertising is part & parcel of most all Internet activity. It is pervasive.
Otherwise "free" products, contain toolbars or whatnot that need to be deselected on install. Download sites regularly have (purposely?) confusing links to ad products.
You need to be aware. The unwary are often "taken".
That said, if one is unhappy because of such ads, the answer is simply, don't use the product (or visit the web site, whatever the case may be). |
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3 edits | reply to Mele20 Thanks Mele20 for the info provided! And we at the Calendar of Updates will not be posting updates no longer for Avira until they get rid of the ASK Toolbar in their free version! »www.calendarofupdates.com/update···253&st=0 and Announcement! »www.calendarofupdates.com/update···id=95954
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 therube join:2004-11-11 Randallstown, MD 2 edits | reply to Mele20
This (now) is their normal (free user) popup on (daily) update?
If that is the case, then (to me) I see no (big) difference compared to their "ad" (if you will) to their pay version.
You get the popup (ad to upgrade to pay version), you click the OK, you go on your way.
You get the popup (ad for Uniblue), you click the OK, you go on your way.
One can say advertising your own product like this, as opposed to advertising a third party product (which some may call questionable) is different.
Be interesting how Softpedia reacts to this once it is brought to their attention. (Would think they change their listing from "free" to "ad supported". They are generally sticklers for such things & will even de-listed products entirely if need be.)
Avira AntiVir Personal - Free Antivirus »www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/···on.shtml
Currently shows as: Freeware & notes the nag screen under limitations. |
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 LarkB join:2006-10-28 united state | In our forum, we have more than a fair share of new users or those who may not be the most computer savvy. When ads like this appear or the emails arrive, you would be surprised (or maybe you wouldn't) at the people who actually pay attention and think that since a new product is recommended by their security software companies and offers something free that may help their computers, they will download that product without a second thought. There are a few who may actually post and ask first, but the majority come to us after the fact, when problems occur as a result. We tend to forget that there are neophytes coming to the world of home computing every day, or those who have never bothered or had need to educate themselves about things we take for granted. |
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 therube join:2004-11-11 Randallstown, MD | quote: When ads like this appear or the emails arrive, you would be surprised (or maybe you wouldn't) at the people who actually pay attention and think that since a new product is recommended by their security software companies and offers something free that may help their computers, they will download that product without a second thought.
I don't doubt that for a minute. |
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 | reply to ZZZZZZZ said by ZZZZZZZ:Wow......the sky is falling,the sky is falling.
1st of all I haven't seen any ads from Avira in years,because you can block that process easiiy from your firewall~
And who cares what sponsors they get ,it's going to be a optional out anyway..........tons of free software apps are doing it.
Wake up and smell the roses,they're offering their program for free.........they're allowed to do anything they please.
Just cause users are too bloody stupid to not read what they install ............give me a break~ It should never be opt-out. It should always be opt-in. And if it were opt-in, it wouldn't cause as much concern.
It's done this way deliberately to hook the unwary, and you calling users "bloody stupid" is uncalled for. In fact, if your argument is "tons of free software apps are doing it" you might want to check in the mirror. "Everybody's doing it" isn't an excuse for a bad business practice. |
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 lordpufferComfortably NumbPremium join:2004-09-19 Rio Rancho, NM kudos:1 | reply to Mele20 Thanks for the info Mele20.  |
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 | reply to Mele20 Thx very much for the heads up, Mele20!  |
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