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So get over it...this myth of implied privacy is just a myth. If you aren't doing anything wrong to begin with you have nothing to fear.

That's the biggest bullshit argument ever and you know it but it keeps the sheep happy and their the majority of dumb customers so lets set the bar low.

How does a one-of-a-kind implementation of something not leave one fearing the fact that someone WILL get knowledge of it because a bunch of power hungry and money seeking ISPs are spying on users data because the feds do it so they know they can get away with it too.

And that is what most of this is about anyway. The RIAA and friends crap is just a distraction. It's pathetic that physical contact with others is almost the only way to conduct real sensitive business in these technologically advanced times all because of government endorsed spying on citizens being legal.

So you have the ISP as the biggest problem in the mix because they do NOT get rid of those customers they know are "offenders" but instead wait for a paying **AA who wants customer records. It must be great to not only provide internet when paid but provide personal information out the other end to anyone paying the fee. Another great scam in this land of the free.
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said by firephoto:

said by BHNtechXpert:

So get over it...this myth of implied privacy is just a myth. If you aren't doing anything wrong to begin with you have nothing to fear.

That's the biggest bullshit argument ever and you know it but it keeps the sheep happy and their the majority of dumb customers so lets set the bar low.

How does a one-of-a-kind implementation of something not leave one fearing the fact that someone WILL get knowledge of it because a bunch of power hungry and money seeking ISPs are spying on users data because the feds do it so they know they can get away with it too.

The same way policies at work or in our society are implemented. The behaviors or the misbahaviors of the masses dictate the corrective measure and it's not always the minority causing the problem (like with this situation). If it were a small group of people then you might be correct but the problem is at an epidemic level....we're not talking about a few thousand people here...we're talking millions of violators.

Your pie in the sky visions of "we should treat each problem individually" perfect world doesn't exist. It's impossible and impractical to do this one a singular basis.

And your land of the free bullshit doesn't fly with me either. We are a land of laws, laws that all people are expected to follow in order to manage order and peace in our relatively free society. Without law our society as we love it ceases to exist...stop spewing that "land of the free" crap because it's obvious you have no clue as to how you got to be so free to begin with...
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I agree with your land of the laws statement. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure your domestic privacy is protected under our current laws.

I know you didn't make this analogy, but I see a severe flaw with the building a wall so you can't see in the house statement the person in this thread had mentioned. If I were to set up an email server for a company, and I happened to own the server, does that give me the right to go through everyones email? I think there's an expectation of privacy with emails (unless otherwise noted), and I'd think there'd be an even bigger expectation of privacy with data you transmit through your ISP's network.

DPI is wrong on so many levels, and inefficient if the savvy will continue to find ways around it. I myself use a VPN on my VPS as well, but only when I'm on someone else's network. I'd expect to have some sort of privacy when using the services of an ISP that I pay [a large chunk of] money to monthly.

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Then why is it class actions are now banned? Is that not essentially every man for himself? If it isn't I don't know what is.
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So them where does the problem truly lie?

The nature of your secured content?
The design and implementation of the infrastructure it uses?
The fees you pay for said services?
The system that generates the currency you use to pay for it?

The answer may surprise you.
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said by watice:

I agree with your land of the laws statement. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure your domestic privacy is protected under our current laws.

I know you didn't make this analogy, but I see a severe flaw with the building a wall so you can't see in the house statement the person in this thread had mentioned. If I were to set up an email server for a company, and I happened to own the server, does that give me the right to go through everyones email? I think there's an expectation of privacy with emails (unless otherwise noted), and I'd think there'd be an even bigger expectation of privacy with data you transmit through your ISP's network.

DPI is wrong on so many levels, and inefficient if the savvy will continue to find ways around it. I myself use a VPN on my VPS as well, but only when I'm on someone else's network. I'd expect to have some sort of privacy when using the services of an ISP that I pay [a large chunk of] money to monthly.

There is no privacy on the internet period...stop with that already. You are using someone elses network. They by your own user agreement may take whatever measures needed to secure that network, its users and any protections needed to insure that the company does not get into a legal situation. They aren't snooping your emails (the ISP that is) and they don't care what you transmit or receive so long as its not illegal. DPI would be used to look for specific signatures ONLY. I don't understand why people can't get this. If you guys would grab the actual issues where you are protected I would help ya out a bit but you guys are grasping at all the wrong straws. And don't ask I'm not gonna help you with the right ones...sooner or later somebody will get it.
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Then why is it class actions are now banned? Is that not essentially every man for himself? If it isn't I don't know what is.

Your statement has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. Tort is a whole different beast...don't confuse the two.
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So them where does the problem truly lie?

The nature of your secured content?
The design and implementation of the infrastructure it uses?
The fees you pay for said services?
The system that generates the currency you use to pay for it?

The answer may surprise you.

The answer is in the people. Our society has become riddled with those who think they can just follow the laws they want to hell with the rest. We have raised three generations of uneducated, selfish, lazy, narcissistic little brats. They think they are above the law and they care about one thing and one thing only...themselves...to hell with everyone else. That's the problem...
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said by BHNtechXpert:

There is no privacy on the internet period...stop with that already. You are using someone elses network. They by your own user agreement may take whatever measures needed to secure that network, its users and any protections needed to insure that the company does not get into a legal situation.

off the top of my head here..

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El ··· vacy_Act

»www22.verizon.com/privacy/ (as it applies to me)

who on earth told you there is no privacy on the internet? you cannot intercept data that is transmitted between two endpoints unless consent is given to, or there's a warrant. it's really simple to grasp. As it stands, there is nothing in their privacy policy or my user agreement that says DPI can be used to track what i'm transferring for the purposes of identifying pirated/copyrighted material.

As far as what they "care & don't care about", I really don't care what they care & don't care about, only about what IS. And what IS, is that my ISP cannot and does not do that. That's why they participate in the 3-strikes program and the MPAA/RIAA lawyers have to rely on 3rd parties connecting to trackers/peers to send a warning letter.

OT a lil bit, but are you a DPI equipment vendor ?

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The problem is as old as civilization itself. The Fractal Monetary Systems put in place thousands of years ago. The behavior of the society that sprung up around it is the way it is because of the system.
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If it profits them to do so, they will, and even if they do they don't have to tell you.

Whats one of the first things a lawyer typically tells you about defending your not-guilty plea when you choose to allow them to defend you against a charge?

The mentality of a TOS/EULA is from a perspective of litigious nature.

Just because you committed a crime doesn't mean you have to admit guilt. In fact their job is to attempt to absolve you of this charge though debate, or reduce the charges if that is not possible.